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Import a motorcycle from EU

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭WestWicklow1


    It will be taxed as a "new means of transport" if it is less than 6 months old OR has travelled 6,000 km or less.

    It should be handy enough to have 6k kms on it before you present it for vrt if it has 4k kms on it when you buy it!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So either less than 6 months old OR 6000km or less on the clock is sufficient to be chargeable to VAT. Not a hope you can register a 2019 bike VAT free without 6000km on the clock

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭cmyk


    Thanks for this, in both uses it does state *or*. The example I gave was only for illustration. I am looking at 2020/21 bikes with less than 6k mileage though. A lot less in some instances that I could hope to clock up in 30days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    There was a thread someplace here recently on which "somebody" stated that privately buying a 10 year old private machine in the UK WAS still possible without needing to employ Import Agents/Forwarders etc... Has anybody a definitive on this ??


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭gline


    Looking to import from germany, shipped over. The bike is a 2000 reg.


    Am I right in thinking, the only paperwork I will need to register it here is the Zulassungsbescheinigung? And no vat will be payable, only vrt?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Sir Galahad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Ferry ticket/how it got into the state as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭gline




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Hey, just wondering if anyone paid VRT after a private sale. I need a "receipt". I was told I could use a hand written one. Is it literally a piece of paper I write myself with the guys name and price saying it's sold?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    A hand written receipt from the seller with the name, address, amount etc is fine.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭jeremyr62


    Not true unfortunately. If it was we'd all be doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano




  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭KT10


    Registered the bike I imported from France a few weeks ago, did it in the Naas NCT centre, staff were sound to deal with, didn't ask for a translated version of the documents (in fairness, they only need some info/values from it and its pretty obvious) which was my main concern.

    There was a bit of confusion about the model numbers on Revenues system as its quite a rare bike, thought I'd have to go away and come back while Rev updated their systems but we found the correct model number after a bit of searching, so got it all sorted in one visit.

    Overall, pretty painless (bar paying the VRT! 😂 )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    I paid my vrt, only €100. But poor guy beside me was bringing in a bmw s1000xr from england didn't have the full log book. Hope he gets it sent to him or it's a world of pain. Really need to insist on the full log book when bringing it in from england



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That was always the case even before Brexit so you'd think anyone importing from the UK would be on the ball in that regard.

    Wonder if he used a customs agent and VAT had to be paid to get out of the port? Once it's assessed for VRT he may have to pay VAT on the VRT amount also...

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Its just not worth the hassle buying Brit bikes unless they are either stupendously rare or unbelievably cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Yeah, don't understand buying British bikes myself when you have continental Europe right beside us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 455 ✭✭maximus02


    Maybe they don't want a left hand drive bike 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt



    How after several decades people are still doing this escapes me: it's even written on the V5 that if exporting it, the new owner will need it....

    Doesn't say much for the quality of 'research' on the subject by they buyer.........as for importing an S1000XR, don't even see the point, there's 12 of them for sale on DD today alone...

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    He was also missing a sales receipt and a ferry ticket. Luckily I had my stuff in order. Well, enough for them to ignore anything not exactly right



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭whoami1


    I know that in Germany in particular, if you're buying a bike and riding it home, it needs to get a temporary registration plate from the local authority and then you can ride home and do the registration stuff with the NCT people. My understanding is that the new owner needs to be there to do the paperwork.


    But what is the story if I bought a bike and had it shipped to me here? Does it still need a temporary German plate to get re-registered here even though it wouldn't be used? If not, then I would need to bring the bike to the NCT place on a trailer as it wouldn't have any plate on which to insure it.


    Or am I missing something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    That is correct. But you still need the seller to deregister the bike before handing it over. It's a simple process done locally. I imported my bike from Germany earlier this year. Is was fairly straightforward. Would recommend Jarvis for transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You don't need a plate to insure an import, you can insure on a VIN for a certain period (30 days IIRC in my case)

    Go old school and get a bit of cardboard with "FOR REG" scrawled on it 😄

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭whoami1


    Thanks for that. If I do do it, it would be from a dealer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭whoami1


    Where would we be without oul' Reg? It's a long time since I've seen him around but he clearly used to be the most popular guy in the country - everyone was buying him cars and bikes and putting the message on their number plate! 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,607 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    FOR REG on a new Honda back then.

    "I got it from Reg Armstrong." 🙂

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Bikes in mainland Europe can be overpriced , for example Germany. Then you have to drive it all the way home going through multiple toll gates. You can get the tunnel to the UK , if not thats two Ferry tickets you have to pay for. It all ads up. As does the mileage.

    UK bikes come with an MOT so you have buyer assurance it will be in good condition. More times than not the seller will van the bike to the Ferry port. Lastly , the pound is weak so there are great deals on used bikes atm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Bringing a bike a long way back is fun. And it's usually even more fun using the roads which dodge the tolls.

    German bikes tend to be extremely well kept and only see fine weather so worth paying a premium for.

    UK MOT is corrupt as all fook! and don't forget the 23% VAT on top of your VRT.

    Post edited by Hotblack Desiato on

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Nope.

    I brought back a 'Wing from Netherlands last October. No matter what way you swing it, the UK is now priced out of the market and the bikes aren't as clean.

    Don't take tolls if you don't want to: lots of routes around them. I did a 50:50 mix.

    And I loved the 1,100 km spin home.

    And I've seen some atrocious 'MOT'd' bikes, so unless it's very new, very caveat, very emptor. There is no assurance or warranty implied - unless perhaps, you're buying from a main dealer for the marque.

    Ferry with cabin Cherbourg - Dublin cost €184.00

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Nice - avoids the boring (if you stick to motorways) and expensive trip across the UK too.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Yeah, choice of bikes in Europe is great. Seems to be a lot of dry miles bikes. And they have kph dials



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    I’m afraid you are working off a lot of incorrect info now, importing UK bikes now needs the service of a customs agent here, that’s not cheap.

    MOT is no guarantee at all, plenty of seriously dodgy MOT stations around that will pass all kinds of rubbish for a fee.

    Central Europe and German winters are so cold that it’s impossible to ride bikes for much of it, they rarely see winters and definitely not the salty slush you see on UK roads. The German HU test is pretty strict.

    You can find good deals in the UK but the reason people buy from Europe is because there is so much choice. Why would you buy from a third country when importing from EU is easy and convenient?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    So the mot is corrupted and anybody can pay off a tester? Nah brah, not buying it. Who would want to ride a dodgy bike anyway. You're putting your life on the line. Plenty of Brits only take out their wheels on a weekend and keep them in pristine condition. Bike maintenance isn't a euro exclusively.

    Then the vrt is cheap. The customs duty is cheap. And the bike is a lot cheaper to buy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    VRT, customs and VAT are all needed. That's 35% or something on top of the price of a new/newish bike. It's the reason no car/bike places are importing from the UK any more. But sure they haven't a clue either!

    Bikes are cheaper from Europe now - they might not have been before Brexit but they are now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Plenty of dodgy car and bike dealers in the UK but every single vehicle they sell will have an MOT. That tells its own story.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 ZiggyBust


    So CN have just told me they can not insure a foreign reg bike if the trip is not starting in Ireland or the UK.

    I specifically asked about taking a bike back from France and told they can not set it up with current underwriters for mainland europe... I would need to get the bike transported.

    What now? besides getting it transported (already asked Jarvis Trans and no go for him) :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    If you buy in Germany, you get temporary plates for €80 that also include enough insurance to get you back to Ireland...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 ZiggyBust


    Yeah I was aware of this and have already started looking in Germany for this sole reason if CN are not going to play ball :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭scudster


    Axa have no problem insuring a foreign bike to ride home if that’s of any use to you. Done it last June.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    CN tried this with me last year too, when I bought a bike in NL. Gave me yards of excuses why not, but I was like a dog with a bone. They've had no issu doing it for the last 20+ years on bike I bought and ridden home from UK, so I wasn't having any of it. I told them when I got home I was cancelling my policy and in the end they folded but said the breakdown cover wouldn't apply........you could always buy AA cover if you're stuck.

    As it turns out, I was told this by the shop I bought from in NL as well, and I wasn't 100% convinced I/they were understanding the situation completely, but turns out the bike was insured by the shop : they said all their bikes are sold with 2 weeks cover (to allow you get it home and registered), so seems the norm. Win-Win.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 ZiggyBust


    Interestingly I rang up just to see and they gave me the same response as CN that it needs to be on Irish soil before they would cover!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭goblin59


    just got a bike imported in from NI,

    Was fairly straightforward, but they want

    a receipt of sale to show how you got the bike.

    The V5C

    proof of entry into NI or proof that the bike had been in the country before the cut off point.

    That form they want filled in

    Proof of PPS number and proof of address.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭cmyk


    Has anyone bought privately from Europe without seeing the bike?

    Considering using Jarvis from Belgium but no idea how you protect yourself from scammers, or is that just the risk you're taking?



  • Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭robbie_63


    Some of the usual bike transport places can give a bike a quick look over,

    Friend of mine brought in a bike from holland last year and the transport guy called him on collection after he had gone through the bike and took photos of any possible issues he may not have come across himself.

    At that point he had already bought it anyway so I suppose it doesn't mean much but it is possible.

    Not sure how you deal with transferring cash to a private seller, especially when you're not there to see the bike yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭goblin59


    I've bought twice from the UK in the past without seeing the bike.

    I would be hesitent to buy privately this way though, so I would only go through a dealership with good reputation (Check reviews and so on)


    I video call and go through the bike with them over whats app and so on before placing a deposit and then arranging for how to collect. With the first bike I had a courier go over as I was on L plates, with the second bike I flew over and collected it in person and rode it back.


    If you have the time, I'd definitely recommend flying over and riding the bike back just for the trip. I'm considering doing this somepoint as a small trip, collect a bike to ride back and then just sell it on over here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I bought from a main dealer in Germany... Bike was immaculate and even had extras not described in the sale... Jarvis transported it and while it wouldn't be fair to expect them to take any responsibility for the quality of the bike, they did give me a heads-up that the bike seemed good condition and as described. I can't recommend them enough, they were great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭cmyk


    Thanks guys, yep Jarvis seem to have a really good reputation. I've a learner license so driving it back myself isn't an option. I may scrap the private route so.

    It's a pity, having spent 11months considering what bike I actually want there seems to be an opportunity to bring in a couple to sell on if someone was so inclined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭SmartinMartin


    I brought in a bike from Austria 3 weeks ago. Rang up CN the day before i went, gave them the Austrian reg and 50 quid and they emailed me the insurance cert straight away. Covered for 30 days, just had to give them the Irish reg within that time. Rode it back. There's a guy on Facebook goes by the name of Slampi gets recommended a lot, he would have done it for €600 but it suited me to travel instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    I bought a car in the UK but organised an AA check first. Not sure if there's a bike equivalent.


    Bought my bike from Netherlands without seeing it, but it wasn't expensive as it was 1995 bike and it was clearly immaculate from the photos



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