2022 Irish EV Sales

Using whataboutery to stick up for a billionaire is a bit pathetic really.

Oh here comes that old argument, VW also fired all the people involved and has replaced all of the management staff

Half the crap Musk has done would get any other CEO fired in a heartbeat, he's only around because he's converted most of his shareholders into worshippers

I would like to say that I am all for Twitter being destroyed, along with the rest of social media

More likely Musk will turn Twitter into more of a cesspit of extremist views and bots peddling scams

Supports Putin? Is he not providing internet for all of Ukraine including their army for free.... And this has what exactly to do with this thread? I'd prefer a car company to destroy Twitter than trying to burn fossil fuels for as long as possible and destroying the climate which supports our survival

“Despite a 12% decline in new car registrations, electric vehicles have seen strong demand. For the first time in 2022, the eco-friendly alternative was the top-selling engine of the month, outperforming both petrol and diesel cars. 

So far this year, 15,591 new electric cars have been registered, an increase of 83% since 2021. In November, 343 new electric vehicles were registered compared to 190 in the same period last year.”

Excellent work @PaulRyan97. The diesel PHEV figue looks larger than I would expect. Surely there weren't that many Merc phev diesels sold?

I don’t really get the point of PHEV’s considering the range and DC charging speeds on modern big battery EV’s but if I had to have one a diesel one would be far more attractive. If BMW sold a diesel version of a 330e or 530e, they’d have been a great seller here. My biggest issue with a PHEV would be the complexity in the long term once you’re out of warranty. Some much to go wrong if you had say a 10 year old PHEV with big miles.

Fuel prices are all over the place in recent years and Petrol v Diesel prices are a variable that a consumer cannot control. The difference in fuel efficiency of a diesel engine compared to a petrol engine is substantial and would be very relevant over the lifetime cost of a vehicle covering big miles.

If you are “running on electric quite a bit” with a PHEV you won’t be going very far anyway. Your money would better spent on a full EV. The only real use case I currently see for a PHEV is for somebody needing a 7 seater and doing small miles as there is no current EV option available.

That accounts for one so! Outside of Mercedes I don't think any other brand offers Diesel PHEVs. I suppose it is possible that one in every 200 new cars sold is a Diesel Merc PHEV.

There are a lot of use cases for PHEV, but drives me mad when poor charging network is one.

E.g. friend of mine drives PHEV and the only reason he had to was because he spends a lot of weekends touring in the North west, where charging is currently scant. R

No matter what the fuel choice, PHEV’s are a compromise vehicle seen by most as some sort of stop gap for people who are afraid to make the leap to full EV. As for Hybrids, it’s just more self charging nonsense from the likes of Toyota but each to their own.

Cost of that battery would be the main sticking point there.

DC charging isn’t required as the whole idea of PHEV is that you charge it at home and use petrol when going beyond its EV range.

Anyone have final year sales stats?

Looks like ID.4 was best selling EV with Ioniq 5 behind it.

That issue was fixed, grow up many car makers have recalls for many reasons although Tesla has generally avoided it despite their FSD inconveniently not working as described

I’d say the EV6 would have been much higher if dealers had been able to supply them.

Big price jump for 2023 now though. It's more expensive now than the Tesla, VW, Skoda, Hyundai equivalents

Have they? I mean they don't seem to be having any trouble selling them at the higher price

It's annoying but unfortunately that's how markets work

I hope they open up more supply, Ireland has always seemed to be last priority for getting allocation of cars from Kia

Thinking like this is way off the mark and fails to take into account what is well publicised as this stage. Kia's supply chain issues mean that it will struggle to grow its market share anywhere. Supply to Ireland has been comparatively good in comparison to the UK, but continues to be severely constrained meaning they have had to prioritise certain models in production (producing more of the high margin stock and reducing choice in certain models) and have increased prices right across the Kia range.

Now, take the EV6 on its own. It has consistently beaten the competition in the vast majority of reviews (with the exception of the Model Y with the new suspension). Logically for Kia, when supply is an issue and they have a superior product, why not increase price when they will sell what they can supply at that increased price. The Model Y with its recent price reduction and the Ioniq 5 in 2023 with slightly stiffer suspension would constrain the EV6s market share growth if it was in a position to grow its market share.

VW have said openly that volume is no longer a priority for it but selling fewer cars at a higher margin is the future for them. This is the approach Kia has taken (either by accident or design or possibly a bit of both).

If you are looking for value in future, you won't be getting it from the Koreans (or Skoda), who are looking to sell more premium products. The Chinese will likely fill this void in the market and are currently producing very affordable EVs in China (Great Wall and BYD being two of the biggest producers) .

Not picking on you, but this idea that Kia would be focused on a very small market like Ireland is also amusing. The price increases are global. For example an EV6 in Denmark in 2023 will cost one over 5k more than it cost in 2022.

This pricing strategy is likely to change somewhat in future when supply issues resolve themselves and even more importantly, if interest rates continue to increase (which will lead to a slow down in demand).

@Killer K is right about the supply issues, Kia / Hyundai have always had severely restricted production of EVs, starting with the very popular Ioniq 28kWh back 6 years ago. Half of the production was kept in South Korea for starters and the rest of the world had to share the other half. In the USA the cars were sold for several thousand dollars over RRP by the dealers - because they could.

EV6 is a fantastic car, but simply too expensive, at these sort of prices they wouldn't sell many of them even if they could produce them (which they can't). A much lower price, smaller battery option would be extremely popular globally. Like the €39k on the road Ioniq 5 that my sister in law bought last year. Hugh value for money there. And still worth every cent she paid for it.

EV pricing is definitely premium at the moment but I’m not sure all of it can be justified on the additional cost of a battery. It may be more about demand outstripping supply and manufacturers not really making any effort to compete with each other. Batteries & a motor are obviously expensive but compared to an equivalent ICE but EV’s are built without the expense of an engine, gearbox, exhausts, dpf’s, catalytic converters etc.