solve the housing problem easily...some solutions?

magicbastarder · 31-10-2022 1:23pm

local authorities/the government should be given the power to seize derelict properties, or long term vacant properties, and sell them at auction.the funds raised go into an escrow account, and if the original owner comes looking, they get the money minus a 10 or 20% handling fee.

planning permission for multi-unit developments should last no longer than one year and should be tied to whoever sought PP. this would prevent developers buying land, getting PP and just sitting on the land as the value skyrockets without them having to do a thing, before selling the land on. if you get planning permission, it should be part of the 'contract' that you provide what you are seeking permission for.

i'm scratching my head at some of the suggestions about being able to evict people easily or social housing is not for life, etc. evicting people solves nothing in regards to the housing problem. unless you believe that making people homeless to free up housing stock is a valid option.

Donald Trump · 31-10-2022 3:08pm

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Roads would need to be there and maintained regardless. You may have realised over the last year or two that your food doesn't actually originate in a shop.

There is no point just being jealous because other people have a nice house with a bit of space.

maninasia · 31-10-2022 10:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666008#Comment_119666008

There arent that many airbnb in Ireland relative to other countries. I heard many dropped out of the business.

redlough · 01-11-2022 7:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119807319#Comment_119807319

If you attempt to build "basic housing as social" expect to have uproar from the usual gangs, you are treating people with disrespect. You will have the opposition reading out letters in the Dail etc etc etc. It would be political suicide to tell people on social housing they shouldn't get access to the exact same house a person buying gets

Social housing is considered temporary, but once people get into the house they won't move. The current government and opposition want to make sure they never have to move either with the changes in law. So a person gets social housing they just hang onto that house till end of life in a lot of cases

Unless the government is building the houses you cannot and should not put a cap on housing prices. If you are doing that then everything should be capped in terms of profit, comrade :-) I find it strange that people want to cap builders/carpenters etc in one trade because they are making a profit while have no interest in the rest of market. Is the plan here to tell a carpenter that no you can't make 100 a day, you can only make 50 a day because we have capped the house price, but Im ok because I work in IT and I can make whatever I want a day while benefitting of you working on lower wages when I want to buy my house?

Telling Granny & Grandad who have spent their life paying off a mortgage and finally get time to enjoy the house, sorry, out you get and hand it over while you can be shoved in with son/daughter and a load of kids. will work for some people but majority will want to stay in the house they worked their life paying off. Of course some will down scale as well but at the moment I have a neighbour who wants to do that, but they can sell but no option to buy then as market has no supply

You will find Mary and Ellie both have long term partners, they will never get married because they would lose all the benefits they get from been a "single mother".

Not trying to be negative but the points above I can't see working. Especially in terms of social housing unless we make huge changes, the first should be making the tenants pay their rent.

Luxembourgo · 01-11-2022 7:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119820549#Comment_119820549

Might be unpopular with the media, but it'd be popular with voters if messaged correctly.

Social housing is really really important, but the inefficient, fudge of a system in place means its not fulfilling its function in society.

redlough · 01-11-2022 9:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119820609#Comment_119820609

All parties are going in the other direction and seem to think pushing as much money as possible into social welfare is the answer....

I would expect it would be popular with voters, especially the people working every hour available to keep above water, but has any party any consideration for those people or just see them as a tax cow to milk

Has any party come out and said they will fix the non-payment of rent in social housing for instance?

maninasia · 02-11-2022 3:48pm

Allow houses or multiple row houses in crappy cookie cutter housing estates built in the last century to be knocked and rebuilt with apartments of six or seven stories.

Look at the state of large parts of Dublin, row after row of shoddy looking small old houses that can't be knocked because of 'planning' and 'need to keep the same look'. The same shite look you mean.

Build up along the commuter routes .

marieholmfan · 02-11-2022 7:32pm

Build sis storey blocks in the middle of Dublin.

CPO the one storey cottages in Drumcondra and replace them with six storey blocks (no compensation).

CPO that Sorrento terrace (no compensation in this case) and build a huge tower block.

Same at Sandymount / Sydney Parade (no compensation).

Murph85 · 02-11-2022 7:49pm

Lads look at this free luxury social housing being given out. Video included. You would need to earn about 175000 a year as a single person to pay for it. Fcuking scandalous!

https://twitter.com/votemaryfitz/status/1585529027179290624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1585529027179290624%7Ctwgr%5E3c2f66e0c6ad089f1f10b5f4aea642edae240e43%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.skyscrapercity.com%2Fthreads%2Fdublin-residential-projects.1895989%2Fpage-244

Subzero3 · 02-11-2022 7:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119814037#Comment_119814037

Agree with ya there. There should be no planning permission for single houses in urban center's, only multi-family properties. We need to take a leave out of European cities and build mass multistorey apartments. One road caters for whole blocks rather then a few houses.

02-11-2022 9:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803887#Comment_119803887

You don't see the problem do you?

If the highest earners can only afford the cheapest housing then where does that leave everyone else?

Why shouldn't they leave to better themselves? Enough come here to do it

02-11-2022 9:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825566#Comment_119825566

Does everyone prefer high density ?

I actually prefer lower. Dublin was a far nicer size 20 years ago.

Pity all the growth didn't go to the other cities

enricoh · 02-11-2022 9:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825553#Comment_119825553

Build it n they will come!

Some senior civil servant said recently that no extra funds should be put into providing housing as it's bad value at the moment and Sinn Feins Eoin o broin said he should be sacked. More, more, more! What could possibly go wrong!

Subzero3 · 02-11-2022 9:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825993#Comment_119825993

It allowed the big cities to grow. Dublin is hamstrung at the moment. Building high rise around the luas routes would solve some of the problems with both housing and traffic.

Akrasia · 02-11-2022 10:05pm

3d printed houses. Cheaper, faster, less waste and modular

Tax the rich. Anyone who owns 2 or more houses that are vacant for more than 6 months is just asset squatting and they should pay 5% a year tax on the value of that property on top of any other LPT

Same with Derelict sites where the house is in a residentially zoned area. Use it, or lose it

Holiday homes should be taxed at BIK rates. You want to have a 2nd house that you use for a few weeks a year, then you're either renting it out the rest of the year, of you're paying a tax to leave it empty. Resources are scarce. Having vacant properties in rural and urban Ireland is actively detrimental to that area. Villages and towns need people to survive and thrive. Ghost towns are no good to anyone.

Ban anyone from outside the EU from buying property in Ireland unless they are buying it for them to live in and they can prove that they are in the process of moving here within the next 6-12 months

20Wheel · 03-11-2022 1:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825978#Comment_119825978

you don't see that thats a separate issue from what i was talking about, do you.

3DataModem · 03-11-2022 1:58am

High quality retirement housing, with medical centres, accessible shopping, social spaces, etc.

Essentially, incentivising elderly retirees to sell their homes (or rent them) and use the money tax free to pay for a much much better quality of life, but freeing up family homes for families.

If you drive down any road built in the 1960s or 1970s (and there are plenty in Dublin) there are a lot of 1500 square foot homes on 1/8 of an acre with one or two occupants for several decades at a time. Expensive to heat. Expensive to put in accessible services. Not ideal.

Put a beautiful landscaped retirement community out in Kinsealy or Balbriggan, single story tracked housing, free shuttles to the town (and to the city), accessible shopping and medical facilities, govt subsidised, and get these people out of their houses.

3DataModem · 03-11-2022 1:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119826834#Comment_119826834

Basically, build Florida near Skerries.

Strumms · 03-11-2022 2:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802665#Comment_119802665

That’s what is happening unfortunately.

and some of those people who arriving and being housed and provided with cash supports and free medical cards ahead of citizens and taxpayers were still heading down to church st. seeking assistance from them in terms of clothing and food and toiletries etc…

staff were livid but told by their overseeing clergyman at the time… refuse nobody…. He’s retired now though so appropriate service resumed. 🪩

there will never be a cap on housing prices, would impact too many politicians and their friends / families…

Stone Deaf 4evr · 03-11-2022 4:18pm

possibly a controversial take, but I strongly believe that allowing lads to leave school at junior cert level to pursue apprenticeships really needs to be brought back. Any lads who have the will to work and apply themselves (and they did in the past) will excel. I feel that by the time a lot of lads reach 18 or college age, they're less inclined to look at an apprenticeship as they've gotten a taste for the lazier side of life / having pints etc.

We're in a huge skilled trades shortage at the moment, and theres only so many 2nd world countries you can expect to have mass immigration from.

magicbastarder · 03-11-2022 4:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119824457#Comment_119824457

i don't think using significant funds to buy usable housing stock and destroy it before rebuilding is a particularly efficient use of those funds...

arctictree · 03-11-2022 7:00pm

Extend the rent a room scheme to include landlords with one property.

I know of a good few that aren't bothering to rent out their properties because of the tax.

y0ssar1an22 · 03-11-2022 9:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119829750#Comment_119829750

why would the government do that?

remember they collect ~45-48% of gross rental income in tax (basic calculation assuming 52% tax and allowing for about 4-6% rental expenses).

tis a cash cow for them

y0ssar1an22 · 03-11-2022 9:40pm

i still dont understand how stopping one off builds in rural ireland will alleviate the housing problem?

maninasia · 04-11-2022 6:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119829107#Comment_119829107

Private investors, doesn't need any govermnent money. If the government was involved sure it would never happen.

Who said this is to give free gaffs to people?

This kind of infill redevelopment is normal in many countries.

What it needs is a change in planning restrictions.

malinheader · 05-11-2022 11:13am

Stop taking in people from other parts of the world in need of housing until we get the housing problem sorted .

Simple.

Whatever anyone thinks or states about resolving this issue we all know its never going to be solved while taking in 1,2 or 3 hundred people a week In need of accommodation.

Time for people to stand up and say it as it is.

magicbastarder · 05-11-2022 11:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119831346#Comment_119831346

What it needs is a change in planning restrictions.

The issue is not planning restrictions really. The issue is convincing everyone whose house you want to buy, to sell up. My aunt and uncle have been through this - a developer approached house owners, 16 in total I think, and offered to buy them out for above market value. My aunt and uncle were happy to sell, as they had that house rented out. But at least one person refused to sell which killed the whole thing.

cezanne · 07-11-2022 12:36pm

Some housing will be come available very soon as the IT sector mass firings will settle the heat, no big salaries for inflated rents a lot of foreign workers will go home with their nice nest egg from IT and then they will have to lower the rents to get anyone. the It melt down is not just twitter Farcebook is heading that way too all that will be big earners are Pharma and they are more spread out throughout the country. Settle down there lads the real recession is coming.....

jimmybobbyschweiz · 07-11-2022 11:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844487#Comment_119844487

Don't worry, the government are already doing their best to fill those properties that should become vacant or else drop their rents to get tenants as we have a manufactured Ukrainian accommodation crisis where the government are spending a lot of cash to give to property owners.

I almost wouldn't be surprised to see the government pay the landlords of offices the lost rent from big tech companies so that the offices could be used for social housing and the landlords don't lose out on rental income.

cezanne · 08-11-2022 2:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119847620#Comment_119847620

Jesus it sounds like an Armageddon of sorts we are being so shafted by the EU & our own civil service AKA government they are so blinded by this endorphin rush to help white people only they have truly lost their marbles.

solve the housing problem easily...some solutions?

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