"Green" policies are destroying this country

BESS is coming on stream much faster than you'd think, and it is perfect for frequency regulation

Lithium Ion Bess facilities are proven technologies but these are expensive, Redox flow batteries are where the grid scale storage future will lie

Co-Locating storage and generation with renewables will be other technologies, for example, with offshore wind, energy can be stored by inflating undersea bladders and using the water pressure to store potential energy.

There are dozens of potential technologies that can be used to balance supply and demand.

Yeah, every ounce of CO2 Greta pollutes is a scandal, but when Irish emissions are mentioned, it's 'Nothing compared to china'

It doesn`t matter what the Eirgrid dashboard says.

You were swallowing the line from the C.E.O. of Wind Energy Ireland that his members were responsible for a drop in wholesale electricity prices and unquestioningly regurgitating it. Under the marginal pricing policy they did not.

The price was determined by the cost of gas. That is the price Wind Energy Ireland got for their share of the mix. Nothing to do with wind, the wholesale price dropped because the price of gas dropped. Had it not the percentage of wind energy in the mix would have meant s f a to the price.

I would have though you have been around here long enough by now to at least understand the marginal pricing policy

Context matters.

Haha, undersea bladders, I've seen it all. 🤣

You must spend a lot of time browsing cleantechnica. The only estimate I've seen for Ocean Grazer's bladders is about $500,000 per MWh of capacity (about four times the price of Li-ion batteries). According to the ESB we need tens of TWh of storage, i.e. millions of Ocean Grazer's 10 MWh modules, at a cost of maybe $2 trillion (even if they weren't a loony idea on grounds other than price). It makes even the crazy cost of hydrogen look attractive.

Yes, there are lots of "potential technologies" ... until you whip out a spreadsheet and do the most basic of calculations.

I'm convinced at this stage you and others on this thread are nothing but trolls.

Engage selectively with posts, undertake massive link dumping exercises when the conversation moves in a direction you can't challenge, making completely unproven and uncosted claims but it's up to everyone to prove you wrong.

When anyone dares pitch an alternative, though, ye are first in line to demand evidence and detailed calculations or it is dismissed outright.

This thread has descended into what the Americans might call a "dumpster fire".

Some day the EU will change the energy policy. and the low cost of wind power will further bring down the cost of wholesale electricity. Will you then become pro-wind? Or will you find another reason to object to it?

I don't ever expect to see the price of domestic electricity fall substantially, maybe there'll be a short term correction when present circumstances abate.

But all I've ever seen in my lifetime is slowly & at times rapidly increasing domestic electricity charges.

Why do you think this will change? It's business, there's money to be made and a knowledge of what the market will accept etc.

It`s called payback and the greenies really have nobody to blame for tha but themself for pushing her as some all knowing deity for years.

In 27 years who knows what the technology landscape may be like for renewables though. The probability that these units will be refurbished after that timeframe isn't very high in my opinion, which could very well be wrong. So it could be an enormous outlay for a one time usecase. Now, this applies to any of the other options being talked about but a nuclear plant would have a longer timeframe for operational use.

It still would make little or no difference.

Posters who see nothing but wind turbines keep talking about costs of wind energy and turbines coming down, yet fail to acknowledge that wind energy has increased by 33% here and nuclear plant costs are as likely to come down as more are built as turbines are, but no matter.

Taking your Hinkley C costings alone, (even though another poster here pointed out there are cheaper options).

Your total income for Hinkley over it`s 60 year life span would be 150 Billion. Even taking your replacement costs for turbines over that 60 year period, based (on them all surviving as anticipated for their 27 year lifespan in an environment as harsh as the open sea) then the CapEx alone for turbines for 60 years is still 100 Billion plus the capital expediture that would be required to replaces all those components twice in Hinkley`s lifespan Throw in green hydrogen production and storage and the capital expenditure alone for the E.S.B. plan would still do well not to be greater than the total cost of electricity too U.K. households and businesses over those 60 years of 150 Billion.

Hinkley will have provided the U.K. with electricity for 60 years while we would have spent the same amount alone over that period on just construction with the price of the electricity produced plus the investors return on such a massive investment still to come.Even based on Hinkley the E.S.B. plan is economically unviable by streets.