The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

Who said it was?

Another willful misunderstanding of the point being made is clocked up.

All it takes is that little hesitation when putting the ballot in the box. Better the divil you know.

O'Broin knows too, that is why the fulsome apology, and to think, just yesterday there were people on here telling us he was right to be calling for sacking of public sector employees. We even had someone defending it on the basis that he might just be a fixed term employee. So much for SF looking after those in precarious employment.

A further note on Eoin O’Brion’s Chief Economist backtrack. There was a pointed statement from David Cullinane TD backing his comrade.

‘We in Sinn Féin firmly believe in the independence of the civil service, it’s a really important cornerstone of democracy.’

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Which sounds great, but I have not forgotten David in the euphoria of his election win in the GE roared ‘Up the RA’.

Now David’s first reaction was -

1) To deny he said it

2) When he was told there was cameras - he said he did not realise it was being filmed

3) When he had to admit he said it, suddenly he was ‘proud of his Republicanism and makes no apology for it’

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So I can see a certain cognitive dissonance with SF. On the one hand we get David assuring the electorate that SF view the ICS as a ‘cornerstone of democracy’.

On the other the very same individual seemed to deny his Republican ‘Up the RA’ stuff and only proud of it when he was no longer unable to deny it.

So myself as a voter in the ROI what am I to think?

On the one hand the very same individual (David Cullinane) seems to be concerned about ‘Cornerstones of Democracy’ yet the very same man has a tendency to shout ‘Up the RA/tiocfaidh ar la’ when he thinks no one (but SF supporters) are watching. Then he claims not to apologise for his Republicanism? Surely if Cullinane was truly proud of his ‘Republicanism’ he would not have denied it in the first place?

This did not happen in1920/30/40/70/80/90 but 2020!

Now in 2022 I as a voter am supposed to feel reassured by Cullinane showing concern for ‘Cornerstones of democracy?’

Is he just telling me what I want to hear? Because if the goal of SF was to reassure the electorate, wouldn't you think SF could have chosen someone else to pontificate on the 'cornerstone of democracy' ?

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What I take from it i SF believe in these statements but have to distance themselves from them for votes. As MLM said at the time of the Cullinane issue -

'Mary Lou McDonald urges TDs not to make comments that distract from party’s agenda'

The Eoin O'B issue with the Chief Economist seems to have the similar level of backtracking.

I am at loss to know where SF stand, they only seem to backtrack when 'caught out' and are worried that it effects their standing with the electorate. But it seems at odds with SF's republican principles, as they do not even recognise any name of state they purport to represent, so how easy is it for SF not to respect the institutions they have to work with when the cameras are not rolling?

MLM made it clear to David in 2020 that -

Mary Lou McDonald urges TDs not to make comments that distract from party’s agenda

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But again this does not instil me with confidence as a voter. What is the parties agenda? Not to get caught in public and keep the real views internal, until power is achieved?

You, a diehard SF supporter can avoid to blaise about such issues, as it is a means to an end for you, you can sit back and laugh/snigger make flippant comments.

But when/if SF get into power in the ROI they will have a strong influence of the electorates lives. I surely have the right to ask questions as a member of that electorate, as to SF's true intentions? We have already seen how going too fast too soon can cause massive unease in the financial markets in Britain. So it is imperative that SF have the the confidence of the markets and public while they strive toward's the 'party's agenda', whatever that maybe.

I think your point about the markets in the UK is a really important one. We have seen the damage that has done, and our electorate should make sure we don't go down that route.

I would guess that the markets think like me, that the opinion polls are mid-term ones and reflect little on how the public will vote in 2025. Too many things can happen between now and then to be sure.

Even then, the most likely outcome of the current polls if they reflect an election held tomorrow is the return of the current government, though probably needing a few independents to back them up.

You won't see the markets react until SF are in serious negotiations for government. Until then, the markets won't take them seriously, they are considered a bit of a joke party.

You won't see the markets react until SF are in serious negotiations for government. Until then, the markets won't take them seriously, they are considered a bit of a joke party.

What timescale would you think FDI would be looking at when deciding on a major investment

CHHHAAAAAAANNNNNGGGGGEEEEEE

Deflected most questions asked on the News at One today.

Ha ha . having to announce at your ard feis that your own armed gang isnt like the other armed gangs😏😏 to a room full of people who know its a lie but have to pretend its not

'No comparison' between Provisional IRA and gangland criminals, claims Mary Lou McDonald (msn.com)

she's 100% correct.

nobody is or has to pretend anything and there is no lie.

gangland criminals are criminals whereas the provisional IRA were a liberation/freedom force.

While at the same time ignoring they have done feck all in their many decades in power in NI.

Basically like me in ordinary maths class at school, look busy but avoid the difficult questions. Stick to the handy a and b questions. Come back to c later/maybe. I knew the game.

That's where you are wrong - a whole damn sight of people care.

If you're under 40, you probably recall little of the war up north. The rest of us who grew up in those years know very well what went down and where SF come from. Some things you never forget.

Thought Mary was extremely patronising and condescending in her interview on news talk today, and just wasn't answering the questions put to her.

Think the gloss is coming off them, especially given they've no answers to anything and that penny is dropping widely.

A dog-whistle to the climate change deniers.

"On climate action she said Sinn Féin would focus on getting the practicalities right rather than on targets."

So will she stick to the targets?

So, essentially no targets. The "practicalities" are to reach the targets.

Are SF committed to the "practicalities" of the Paris Environmental Treaty?