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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX **Threadbans in OP**

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    #2252
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836138#Comment_119836138

    You always seem to cry when the "far left" don't tolerate bigots, homophobes etc etc

    You switch from free to equal speech when your saviour isn't the free speech absolutist he claimed

    The things you blindly defend



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    #2253
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836131#Comment_119836131

    You don't seem to understand what sold a pup means.



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    #2254
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Twitter is an absolute cesspit of a site that has had a hugely negative impact on civil discourse and even democracy, and watching this petulant manchild run it into the ground is going to be hugely amusing.



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    #2255
    BruteStock
    Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836150#Comment_119836150

    Rachel Maddow explicitly stated the vax would stop spread from one body to another. Why wasnt she blocked for misinformation?



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    #2256
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836169#Comment_119836169

    What does that have to do with my post?

    Do you have a link to her tweet?

    I guess you will have to ask Twitter, instead of expecting some inside knowledge from someone on boards



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    #2257
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836183#Comment_119836183

    The problem is that the science is very rarely "settled", especially with a novel virus and disease. It constantly evolves, and so there is a legitimate argument that people may be sceptical about the latest wave of information. What we once believed at the start, the middle, and at the end is completely different. In that kind of constant flux, and often competing science, is it legitimate for someone to express reticence about taking a vaccine? Sure, of course it is. Now I'm not of that camp, as I've had all three doses of vaccine. But I can certainly put my feet in the other person's shoes and understand their take on things. What happened to Novak Djokovic, for example, was a disgrace - perfectly healthy, yet condemned even when it was established that the vaccine does not stop transmission. So whilst people like to demonise the other, I think we should accept that the situation is and was far more layered and nuanced.

    Why is this relevant?

    Because for Twitter to take a side on the question - indeed, a very strict side - was utterly wrong. Banning people left, right, and centre, for the crime of having a perfectly reasonable take on the pandemic, was disgraceful. Lunatics will always be lunatics, especially when it comes to those dopey David Icke conspiracy theories, but you do not change their minds nor stop the conspiracy theory by banning them. If anything, we've learned that banning dopey ideas tends to spread those ideas underground to flourish to an even greater extent - where those ideas go unchallenged. Social media platforms, like Twitter, would do well to understand this, and to not resort to the kneejerk, almost childish lever of just banning and hoping the problem goes away. It doesn't. If anything, it helps spread the misinformation further. At least on Twitter, people can openly debate the matter and people can see how wrong the lunatics are - often through the medium of humour, actually.



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    #2258
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,522 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    So after starting at "Free Speech" the mask has been binned and its just "Shìte Speech".

    Gotta respect the eventual honesty.



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    #2259
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,406 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836162#Comment_119836162

    It means to trick someone into buying something worthless.

    Musk wasn't tricked, he approached twitter who told him they weren't interested, he eventually made him an offer they couldn't refuse. Musk brought this entirely on himself



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    #2260
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,564 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119835753#Comment_119835753

    He did everything he could to get out of the deal.

    He was sold a financially struggling entity at a vastly inflated price and he's somehow making the situation worse and getting embarrassedin to the ground doing it.

    And all the red pill guys think this is what he wanted?



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    #2261
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,404 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    a great man for reassuring people, is musk.

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1588676939463946241




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    #2262
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭Nermal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119835977#Comment_119835977

    Blocking someone isn't censoring them. Everyone who wants to read twaddle from Lou can do so if they wish. Elon doesn't have to.

    'Content moderation' is just weasel words for censorship.

    This isn't hard. Why does it repeatedly need to be pointed out?



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    #2263
    BruteStock
    Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836226#Comment_119836226

    Name one thing he did to try get of the deal?



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    #2264
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836233#Comment_119836233

    Perhaps it would have been more accurate if you posted the entire context.

    Mike Davis is right. Better to fight fire with fire.

    https://twitter.com/mrddmia/status/1588557835792953345




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    #2265
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,404 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    'fight fire with fire' is an interesting take, given what he's fighting is him having driven away much of his income stream?



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    #2266
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836250#Comment_119836250

    Nah, it's the same strategy deployed against GB News advertisers. They were pressured into disassociating themselves from the channel and spinelessly caved. The same language was used at the time - namely, that the channel was established to "promote hate".

    Something tells me that Musk isn't so supine.



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    #2267
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,564 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836243#Comment_119836243

    Really?


    Screenshot_20221105-070432_Samsung Internet.jpg

    He was literally brought to court to force him to buy it.

    You really didn't know this? And you're on here saying he knows what he's doing?



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    #2268
    bokale
    Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836233#Comment_119836233

    I thought the tweet he was responding to was even funnier, embarrassing stuff

    https://twitter.com/mrddmia/status/1588557835792953345

    (maybe a parody account?)



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    #2269
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Do we need a societal reset where we have to teach people what words means? It seems we do, because people keep mentioning free speech where it doesn't even apply. They are doing it with smugness too, like they've scored a point, when in reality they aren't even playing in the right field. Musk blocking certain accounts has zero to do with free speech, not having a blue check mark also has zero to do with free speech. None of those things stops someones ability to speak freely on Twitter.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #2270
    BruteStock
    Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836255#Comment_119836255

    He wasn't brought to court so you are misinformed. Secondly saying he is going to pull out isn't actually doing it.

    You said he exhausted every avenue to get out the deal. Name one?

    Let's cut the chase. That was a false statement.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/elon-musk-can-walk-away-from-twitter-deal-by-paying-1bn-break-fee-1.4863199#:~:text=Elon%20Musk%20can%20walk%20away%20from%20his%20%2444%20billion%20(%E2%82%AC,in%20the%20typical%20leveraged%20buyout.




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    #2271
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,406 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836199#Comment_119836199

    By the time you've been brainwashed into believing David Icke nonsense, you've been conditioned through years of smaller lies, subtle digs at the Jews controlling everything, you've been conditioned that everything to the left of a 'libertarian' position is 'socialism' which = communism etc.

    Look at Jordan Peterson for example. He never gets tired of casually equating people and concepts that disagree with him as 'marxist' and 'postmodern' but when people point out that some of his messaging aligns strongly with fascistic movements (eg his promotion of the Pereto Principle, which apart from being not actually true, has been used to justify fascism, including directly inspiring Mussolini who was the architect of fascism)

    People can be disinformed, systematically, and led down a destructive path if they get enticed by demagogues who can sprinkle in Just enough credible sounding information along with the lies and distortions and assertions that they themselves are the source of answers and their followers should get their truth from them.



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    #2272
    bokale
    Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836261#Comment_119836261

    Would you agree with people who say that Twitter's current content moderation stops someones ability to speak freely on Twitter?



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    #2273
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,601 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836138#Comment_119836138

    How are they "owned"? People can still do that, and still not pay him the $8 per month.



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    #2274
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836267#Comment_119836267

    Give me an example? I can't think of one thing that I've seen that stops someones right to speak freely so far. The only thing that would, is if they were unjustly banned for some reason or another, as thousand and thousands of accounts were pre Musk.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #2275
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,406 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836226#Comment_119836226

    He made the offer at the vastly inflated price because Twitter's board didn't want to sell to him and he kept increasing the offer until they basically had to agree or the shareholders would have fired them

    Musk himself inflated the share price before buying it, and then crashed the share price with everything he has done since signing that deal



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    #2276
    bokale
    Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836278#Comment_119836278

    Are you saying twitter has always allowed people to speak freely under its content moderation policies?



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    #2277
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836199#Comment_119836199

    You might have been able to make that arguement when COVID first appeared, but not now.

    Have you ever actually used Twitter?

    Some people debate things. The rest are there to push their position. So no it isn't a kneejerk reaction to ban those who push misinformation. You can't inform those who don't want to be informed.

    I don't know what world you live in, where denying platforms to reach potentially 10's if not 100's of millions of people actually helps spread misinformation further.

    What happened to Novax was entirely his own doing. You may want to defend lying to get past border controls, but that's on you.



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    #2278
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836264#Comment_119836264

    Hitler also abused Darwinism for his own twisted desires, does that mean we should dispense with Darwinism?

    Your logic is faulty.

    I disagree with your claim about exposure to bad ideas. Far-left types are obsessed with fascism. So let's take an actual far-right racist menace, in the former BNP leader, Nick Griffin. When he was gifted the position to appear on Question Time, the far-left was protesting outside the BBC on the basis that it would lead to "hate" being spread, and his ideas being supported to a far greater extent. What happened? His arguments were utterly torn asunder during the programme, his reputation destroyed. He was humiliated. The BNP tanked from that point forward.

    The moral of the story is clear: exposing bad ideas to public critique (and humour) works better than allowing bad ideas to spread nefariously underground. It doesn't always work, but it works better.

    Suppressing conspiracy theories never works because, once suppressed, the preacher of the theory will say, "Look, I told you; they're scared you'll hear the truth and don't want you to hear it!".

    It plays into their hands.



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    #2279
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,564 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836263#Comment_119836263

    Ffs.

    image.png

    And he was brought to court.

    image.png

    And forced to buy it.

    image.png

    You're entitled to your own feelings, not your own facts.



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    #2280
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,610 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It does seem like a bit haphazard, he's kept the teams responsible for moderation that he promised to get rid of and fired the teams working on AI and ML that were going to be leaned on for future efficiencies. Maybe he's planning on tanking then price now to build it up again (tech stocks are all down, but a lot will likely rebound together as the smaller companies hack and slash driving down costs all up). It's also a relatively small company in the grand scheme of things and was likely pursuing a pot of unnecessary ventures away from its core business (of text messages for followers).

    I'd also point that a lot more than 8/250 would have been Irish, but I suspect that poster has other deeply rooted issues around racism and conspiracies to work out and is only skimming the surface here.



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    #2281
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836132#Comment_119836132

    If there is one thing that the richest people on the planet all have in common is they are not smart when it comes to business.



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