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Wifi mesh systems

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Imagine can and do support Bridge mode for their routers.

    Using the Mesh router will probably be better in general as I expect that the mesh router has better features around access control and VPN's etc.

    Some of their older kit (like 4+ years ago) does not support Bridge mode , but you can get the router replaced for a €100 call out fee if required - They will replace the router and the antenna as part of this visit.

    I had to do that when I got my Mesh system , but if you have a newer router you may not need to do this step.

    Once you have the new router you just need to call them and ask them to make the change - They asked me to send an email explaining that I accepted the risks of using Bridge mode (security, availability etc.) and once or twice when I have called them to Troubleshoot connectivity issues they swap it back to do their testing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭vidapura


    Hiya,

    Thanks for sharing your experience.

    Yeah, Imagine point blank refused to do that for me.. felt like I was being fobbed off at the time.. and then when the mesh worked okay I just left it.

    I'm out of contract with them and rather than hand them another €100 I'm going to stick it out..

    The NBP eejits have revised my connection date to September now so I'll hold out and see... tho this is the 3rd connection date I got so far.. sigh..

    Here's hopin that sub 10MBs speeds of a saturday night becomes a distant memory soon...

    I'll try changin to AP mode tonight and see what gives.

    Thanks again



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ok looking for info. I bought a Linksys Velop on Amazon but I'm sending it right back. You see I have a decent Mikrotik rack mount router and switch and have Ethernet throughout the house from this switch. I set the Linksys Velop to bridge mode but the child node wouldn't connect to the main Velop through the switch, it wanted direct cable. Besides that I also hated the app, it doesn't give me many options to configure, guess I'm more used to enterprise gear as I work in the industry. Is there an option for another mesh that will work over an existing wired network where the child nodes will work through a switch and not need to be directly connected to the parent?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭dam099


    TP-Link Deco should do that for you.

    Given your existing gear though Ubiquiti gear might suit you better (you will need to host a controller as well as the AP's though). TP-Link Omada would probably do similar.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah I should've said I don't want Ubiquiti, I've fitted lots of them for work want something else to play with. I had considered Deco, but then I saw Mikrotik have a new ax range coming out any day so will probably hold off for that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭vidapura


    Just as a follow-up.

    The Asus ZenWifi AX just doesn't work with the Blink camera. The Blink support just gave up in the end.

    Setting it int AP mode with the Imagine router made no difference.

    Lots of other devices, smart plugs , Echos, etc, are connecting to it no problem.. just the Blink cameras.



  • Registered Users Posts: 393 ✭✭BillyBoy


    Hi lads, I just wanted to clarify something if possible - I currently have Vodafone FTTH and Google Mesh. I find the google mesh to be a bit crap, the coverage isn't great on the satellite, so I am looking to change. I live in a new build with that has Cat 6 cabling in most rooms. From reading the comments here I am thinking of going with a UniFi6 Lite AP or two instead. Do I need to have a router with these AP's or can they act as the router i.e. can I just plug one of them directly into the ONT and off I go or do I need to have something in between? Sorry I know its probably a stupid question but I am just trying to figure out exactly what I need to get in this setup. At the moment I am thinking of 2 AP's, and a cheapish POE switch to get me going. As far as I understand I can use my phone or a PC as the console to set them up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,394 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    They are just access points, you still need a router. I have a full ubiquiti set up which might be overkill but if you want the full unifi effect id recommend that you get a dream machine (router and switch) and you can run the access points off that. You can plug the unifi router directly to the ont but there a few settings you need to set before itll work.

    see settings below, basically if you are replacing the router you need one where you can set a vlan id.




  • Registered Users Posts: 393 ✭✭BillyBoy


    Thanks a mill for the quick reply. When you mention a dream machine do you one of these - https://eu.store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-unifi-os-consoles/products/unifi-dream-machine?_pos=1&_sid=d358002ec&_ss=r? Its a bit more than I would like to spend at the moment and it is probably more than I need but it does look like a great setup! I knew about the VLAN's alright - I had to put a cheap managed switch in place for vlan tagging to get the Google setup.

    If I am reading your reply right could I use the Vodafone router, turn off the wifi on it and use these as the APs? Or could you recommend a mesh or other system? Basically as my house is wired I want to try to use it to the best of its abilities but I am totally confused as to what will give me the best bang for my book. I'd like to keep it under €200/€250 if possible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,394 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    yes you could do that just use the existing router and turn off the wifi and use the unifi aps, you are on the right track with wired access points.

    if you decide you want to change things in the future you could go for the dream machine set up, its addictive kit....

    the dream machine has an ap built in aswell by the way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭dam099


    The new Dream Router is a bit cheaper than the Dream Machine and may be a better value proposition, it also has an AP built in. If you need 2 AP's though it will still put you over your budget to add a second AP with it.

    https://eu.store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-unifi-os-consoles/products/dream-router



  • Registered Users Posts: 393 ✭✭BillyBoy


    Thank you, I hadn't seen that. It does look like a good piece of kit. Looking into it, it isn't as powerful as the UDM but it has wifi 6 and has POE so might be more suited to my scenario - I am not running too much on my network I just want to have decent speeds and coverage and future proof it a bit in case I want to get more into in the future. Stupid question but can I power the UniFi6 Lite AP off the POE ports on the UDR? My assumption is you can but I just want to make sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,394 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    yes you can run them off the poe, so plug an ethernet cable from the UDR into your patch panel and then plug your AP into the corresponding ethernet point wherever in the house and bobs your uncle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭feargantae


    What do ye think of the new Google Nest Wifi Pro?


    Im looking into it but they only come in sets of 1 or 3. 1 isn't enough and 3 is too much!!


    Might go with Nest Wifi instead and see how that is. Have 1Gb with Sky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I have a Google mesh wifi, 2x nest & 1xgoogle wifi on one system. Broadband is 500mb. Can't fault it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭feargantae


    Ended up getting a Netgear Orbi and a Nest Wifi just to compare the 2. The Orbi was able to connect directly into the ONT with its VLAN tag support. It's wifi6 so i was getting around 800Mb which was fantastic. But for some reason the second satellite, though ethernet-backhauled was only able to pull about 300Mb down!


    Set up the Nest wifi and it only gets about 500Mb down but near the full Gb on ethernet. I'd rather faster ethernet than wifi so im keeping the Nest, and still debating an upgrade to the Pro.


    The beta of the Home app allows you to manually set the VLAN tag but I'm not in the beta yet so still using the Sky modem in between for now!



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    Looking for some advice, my bro has a 4-5,000 sqft house across 3 floors. The house has concrete floors, high insulation etc so a nightmare to get wifi working around it.

    I had got standard TP-Link hotspots and he used and they worked ok. He wanted to go mesh as kids are bigger and have more devices etc. He has also got connected now to the proper 1GB BB

    He has a Linksys mesh across 2 floors but even at that they are struggling to interconnect to each other. He has 3 devices. THey are the Linksys Velop dual band, if he brings closer together they work perfect but miss areas of house etc

    He is looking for a system which would use the power lines like the TP-Link. Any recommendations? because the house is already built and 2 storey etc he doesn't have the option to retrofit network cables

    Any advice?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I have a 200sqm bungalow with and all walls are solid inside. When researching the NETGEAR Orbi and Linksys Velop were meant to be the best for signal through masonry. I went with the Orbi. One router and 2 satellites. Did the trick. However the previous owners had wired for a satellite at one end of the house so it obviously helped. I have no problem with signal inside and for much of the garden. It really would help if your brother could even get one Ethernet cable from the router connected to a satellite on the first floor and then other satellites could daisy chain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭ftm2008


    How well works a single nest wifi work in a 3bed semi-d timber framed 125m2

    i have more the attic connected so i struggle with floor 2 where at the ground and for 1 are 250mb

    i know it ain’t triband and wifi 6 but at €49 is it a good option

    i want to add the point to reduce on BW



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I had a bit of difficulty understanding your post, but will say this... The major benefit is that it is a mesh system, if you're not getting good coverage with your current router, them a single module would only offer minor benefits... I'd recommend using two modules (at least) through a 3 bed house... That should be plenty and should help with whatever is happening in the attic. Put one downstairs and one upstairs on the opposite side of the house.



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭ftm2008


    Kewl..i guess what i was trying to say is by using a nest wifi router on its own would it have the range over the ISP router to the attic room..i know that’sa lot of its and buts

    Ifi went for a the nest router plus a nest point (€84) in the attic room .. my impression from reviews is that the speed on the point would not provide great speeds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭djdunny


    Folks. This may be a silly question but if I buy 2 of these (2 x 2 pack) will they all work together? It works out cheaper than but the 3 pack.


    TP-Link Deco S7 AC1900 Whole Mesh Wi-Fi System, Dual-Band with Gigabit Ports, Coverage up to 3,900 ft2, Connect up to 150 devices, 1.2 GHz CPU, Work with Amazon Alexa, Parental Controls, Pack of 2 https://amzn.eu/d/1RnlCBH



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    If you buy two packs you'll have 2 "routers" and 2 "Satellites".

    You can absolutely use the satellite from the 2nd pack to give you 3 nodes in the mesh , but not sure if the 2nd "router" unit can be added as a satellite though.

    ** Actually - Just reading the spec and it seems the TP Deco units can all act as either a router or a satellite.

    Don't think that's the case with my netgear kit for example



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I have the Nest wifi 2 pack and added a single module of the older Google wifi which is a router/satellite... Woks good...



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭LBF21


    just as a heads up on Eero. Amazon usually on ship to the UK but I was able to order one yesterday. Must be a glitch on their side but it has despatched. It's the Eero 6 and is on sale for 65 quid.



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  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why don’t Amazon ship the Eero stuff to Ireland, but will ship equivalent products from TPlink, Google etc?



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough



    I am just wondering if anyone on here has the TP-Link Deco P9 system? does it have automatic reboot yet?



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭LBF21


    No idea tbh. I know Eero Protect not available here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    Probably down to support, Amazon currently don't have support setup in Ireland for most of their product

    Firestick doesn't ship here etc

    I have noticed the free returns with Amazon now gone on items and you get up to 9 pound paid if returned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭The Ayatolla


    The TP Links are great because they can replace your ISP's router if you have Siro, FTTH or FTTC.

    The useful thing is they have PPPOE support and also VLAN tagging. Just saves on the extra clunkyness.

    The Tenda Nova's don't allow VLAN tagging.

    The Mercusys do have VLAN tagging. I think they're owned by TP Link.

    This is a great bargain at 74.99. 3-pack; Gigabit ports, VLAN tagging / PPPOE etc.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mercusys-over-100-Devices-Halo-H50G-3-pack/dp/B09C7JDYJ1/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=mercusys+mesh+wifi&qid=1669327724&sprefix=mercuys%2Caps%2C50&sr=8-3



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  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Ultimanemo


    I have eir modem and I bought Deco M4, do I have to disable the router wifi?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    That's up to you. I've turned my router into a bridge modem... I can still plug Ethernet cables into it, but it doesn't emit a wifi signal...



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    I found the wifi seemed to conflict and performance was affected so I turned it off and just kept the mesh wifi



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭The Ayatolla


    You can remove the eir router completely and use one Deco as your main modem/router. Only thing is you lose the home-phone capability..

    What kind of broadband do you have?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭The Ayatolla


    Ideal, you can definitely replace the Eir modem then. If you need the settings let me know / drop me a message 👍



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    Just wondering if anyone has come across this, I have a Unifi Wifi network, I only have 2 U6 Lite which is probably a bit light for the area but I have decent coverage. I do have a seperate wifi network for work, this is a Huawei Mobile BB device.

    I have a Mac and when I connect to the work wifi it works fine, if I swap back over to the Unifi I have all sorts of speed issues and saying it's not connected to internet. This is while devices which are always connected to the Unifi work perfectly. Some times the only way to get it to work anyway correct is a reboot. Even now I have connected to the unifi and internet speed is terrible, tried a speed check and after 2-3 times I get 70+ connection.

    Any idea's what would be happening? THanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,394 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    Thanks, trying to use the advice from here and set the channel to 44....seems to be working a bit better so far

    Thanks again for advice




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  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭ftm2008


    I have one nest router which is in the playroom which is at one side of the house

    i find the correction poor in the living room which is approx 15-18 ft away North west in an L shape through the hall .. maybe 25mb

    in the kitchen the signal appears faster which I’d the opposite direction north east

    But if i speed test directly 2 floors north in the attic room the connection strength is much better 150mb+

    there’s no block walls in the house

    Would this be normal for signal to be poor going east west as opposed to north south or could it be more interference related



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    Speed or signal strength, they are different things. For a comparison of coverage measure signal strength not speed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,054 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    Anyone got the TP-Link XE75? Thinking of getting it from amazon Italy for under 400euro, will just have to buy the adapters for the plugs which isn't ideal but still nearly 200euro cheaper than buying it from the UK.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    I bought these for a brother to use the powerline, he said it is great compared to other mesh systems we have tried

    I know its not the exact same but it is part of the newer range TP-Link have released which look to be a good step up




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭Speedsie
    ¡arriba, arriba! ¡andale, andale!


    Hi, odd question here. My brother & I live in a converted house, two separate apartments and a shared office space, and we share a 500Mb broadband connection to minimize costs. The office and apartments are on separate esb connections.

    We currently use Tenda Nova MW6, and they are ok, and have worked since 2019. As we have separate electricity supplies, they create the mesh using WiFi. But I've always wondered about using the electricity cabling for a more robust solution. And with more devices using WiFi 6, I'd like to upgrade.

    Would these TP links be suitable? Ie, do they have a WiFi backhaul as well as using power lines? I remember using TP Links powerl Ii ne adapters back in the day, and they didn't like power extensions, so I'm not sure they would cross supplies.

    Neither of us are really 'smart' home enabled, though I have a couple of Google Home speakers, but we do have a number of devices, PCs, laptops, tablet, smart phones/TVs, probably about 20/25 or so.

    Or, is there a better WiFi backhaul based mesh system then the Tenda MW 6 we currently use?

    TIA!

    Speeds



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    Those ones work across a single power network, he had a specific requirement with concrete floors and not able to run a dedicated ethernet

    To get the best value I would look at getting Unifi system and then use a Unifi long range connector between aparments of office if required for distance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭Speedsie
    ¡arriba, arriba! ¡andale, andale!


    Thanks @redlough . Not much distance involved really, but I'll look at the Unifi system.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    They have to be run on a network is the only thing but are great, I have bungalow so ran it

    I had the multiple mesh wifi systems before and the TP-Link are good alright and the newer one as posted seems to be a lot better so if you cant run cables they are probably one of the top ones



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭MickH503


    Can any of the Deco mesh systems replace specifically a Sky fibre router? It's not clear from their specs that they can. Is it easy to do? Easy to get the settings needed?

    Am I correct in thinking that I could plug an 8 port switch into a satellite mesh unit and it would effectively have a high speed wireless link back to the base unit?

    Thanks!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,054 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    You still need the sky router to act as modem. Ideally you to set your ISP modem/router into a bridge mode, base mesh unit is then connected to the ISP modem/router via cat 5/6 cable. Your satellite mesh units then are placed around the house creating your mesh network. The backhaul to those satellite units will dictate the download speeds. Default will be WiFi backhaul but some mesh systems use powerline backhaul. Best option is ethernet backhaul but probably not possibly unless your house is already wired up for it or you can route the cat 5/6 cable discreetly. Also I've read that sky router can't be put into bridge mode like the Virgin router can, if true your mesh network will still work but you'll have 2 wireless networks which is annoying and possibly uses more electricity but you can just ignore the sky WiFi network



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