Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Can’t negotiate with them

Talks with the Russians are worthless. Unless it’s a discussion for a ceasefire to allow the Russians to pull back beyond Ukraine, The Russian Federation is a dishonest agent that cannot be trusted in any form “Treaty” or “Agreement” that might be borne from talks. They’ll simply use it as a respite to rearm and try again later.

Well considering the last helpful suggestion the yanks had that, Ukraine gives up it's nuclear weapons in return for their guaranteed security, I'd imagine they might play along for appearances, while not letting up for a second.

I heard of one suggestion that nuclear bombs could be used to blast out water-ways across America...duh...

Right so if this is 'Really good news', give us an idea of what terms would be acceptable all round, in your humble opinion.

In my humble opinion, terms would be at least 1) complete withdrawal by Russia to pre 2014 borders 2) reparations as agreed and commensurate with rebuilding all the infrastructure and housing they've destroyed 3) handing over of all Russian citizens wanted for trial of war crimes and 4) that Ukraine may continue with it's application to join the EU.

So what's your suggestion, seeing as you seem to have views on this war.

Jesus Christ man, Zelensky’s Pride has practically nothing to do with the reasons for not giving into Russian demands or conditions for withdrawal. They invaded a sovereign nation of the pretext of a thinly veiled fiction, murdered and raped civilians with abandon, and proceed to collectively punish the nation for having the cheek of wanting to remain free of them.

Zenensky is but one of many Ukrainians who would tell you were to go with the idea of giving parts of their country or people to the Russians after what they have done.

And the war crimes committed by Putin's marauders? And the Ukrainian citizens abducted by Russia? And the cost of the infrastructure and lives destroyed by Russia? And the fact that Russia doesn't keep any agreement it make and will be back to invade again once they have managed round up another conscripted mob. Pride? Are you insane?

unfortunately its true, Russia lost the first Chechen war, went away changed tactics, came back reduced Grozny to rubble, killed all men of fighting age and won the second war

If the US ever back out of supporting Ukraine - they are in the G7 right? - then their ability to exert foreign policy would be permanently wrecked. Trump was hopefully a one off, where you actually had a traitor as president. The US won't be able to repair another backsliding on commitments such as Trump did and would do if he's re-elected. In the case of Ukraine, this would be a third failure in a row, and it wouldn't go unnoticed.

The US managed to persuade Ukraine to give up nuclear weapons in return for a commitment to ensure it's security. When the call to do so came, their commitments turned out to be a lie, in the form of Biden ruling out putting US boots on the ground and not putting US troops in Ukraine prior ro the invasion - which he should have done.

The US has said it will support Ukraine, no matter what it takes. If the Republicans renege on that, well the next time the US tries it's hand at maintaining nuclear non-proliferation, they will be told to f*** off, and rightly so.

This is the G7 statement:

“We reiterate our unwavering commitment to continue providing the financial, humanitarian, defence, political, technical, and legal support Ukraine needs to alleviate the suffering of its people and to uphold its sovereignty and territorial integrity”

So breaking that would be strike 3. Since Trump currently defines the Republicans world view - that the US doesn't need to engage in global affairs, and should only be inward looking, those with an opposing view should be calling for Trump to be tried for sedition.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/06/22/trump-trial-capitol/