Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

What did you vote no four times on?

and did the people who voted yes not count?

and when did Ireland vote on a leave/stay mandate?

It’s complete misunderstanding of what was voted on. So the wording of the referendum was simply leave the EU or remain in it.

I reckon the poster means the idea of a soft Brexit where notwithstanding leaving the eu they would have remained part of the single market or at least the customs union. Meaning complying with EU law. That’s not a sweet deal. That’s simply doing what they were doing.

The fcucking up this deal was completely removing themselves and essentially voting to put economic sanctions on themselves as they are subject to the worst trade tariffs. Trade deals take decades to negotiate and experts to do that. And the outcome is…

Again membership of the EU is not a deal with the EU it’s simply membership of it.

Your point on expats in Spain is lost on me. 290k of a population of 66.3 million is something like .4% of which 90% are legally allowed to stay in Spain. But notwithstanding that Brexit had nothing to do with a small towns worth of Brits in Benidorm or Majorca.

I don’t know what your point is and I may be missing it.

Brexiters deserve derision as they can't sperate fantasy from fact.

Brexit is the greatest act of self sanctioning seen in recent history.

The very reason Brexit is floundering badly is because their nebulous concept of British "sovereignty" is completely unworkable in 2022. Truss and Kwarteng crashed the UK economy by thinking they could do whatever they like and that they didn't have to pay any attention to the international markets.

The United States is a currency union of extremely powerful and extremely weak economies too. The Euro has forced fiscal responsibility on countries that used to cheat their peoples with devaluations rather than squaring up to the systemic failures in their systems. I don't believe for a second that Ireland and the Irish people would be as prosperous as they are had we stayed out if the Euro.

And when we left the UK did we deserve derision too?

So what are we supposed to do all sit back and say nothing when the UK do something stupid.

Ireland deserved derision for plenty of the mistakes it made post independence but you forget one massive massive difference. We were an invaded country that was part of the UK by force. No matter how you Brexiters paint it the UK had no gun to the head.

You can keep up the insults all you want. It doesn't change the facts.

We left the UK. Would have been economically better off remaining for at least 30 years after that.

So we shouldn't have left, right?

That's the core of your own argument.