Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Ah come off it.

529 dead with only 12 wounded in one day while defending a forest against a helicopter and Grad attack? Something has been lost in translation or this is just a ludicrous lie.

I just looked at the figures for 490 casualties and that is the daily number for the total AFU estimates up to the 6th of November. The first time I saw this story on social media it was a couple of days back and I think it said the incident happened on the 2nd of November and the daily figures for russian casualties from back then if I remember correctly were about 800 so could match with the estimates from that day but I think it is being reported now on russian media. Hopefully some news of this getting back to russia will help people there see what type of leader they have in putin.

It's bollocks. A ratio of 50 killed to 1 wounded in a single day of combat is absurd.

The real story of the Russian setback is in Pavlivka, not Makiivka. Numerous Russian Telegram channels are seriously pissed at what happened there, not only that, but there is numerous video/photo evidence to show the grisly outcome of the battle.

I'm only going off the social media link to this story I saw a couple of days back with almost the exact same casualties, but there was no mention in that of it just being a single helicopter and GRAD attack. The story I saw was that the new recruits were told they were being sent to Svetova a bit back from the front lines but they were actually dropped right on the front lines where the Ukrainians were expecting them and had lots of weapons lined up to attack the invaders as they were told to dig in a place that looks to have been a very poor choice of position. I don't think this was a typical combat situation but more putin wanting to plug a gap with whatever was available.

Also seen a video post I think from the Pavlivka area where some AFU soldiers were saying goodbye to their relatives as they were going to take as many russians with them as they could even though they were almost out of bullets due to the numbers of russians being sent at them. Hope they got some reinforcements before the russian made any more progress.

The regime went into Ukraine with the aim of occupying it in three days and that it would be in the Russian sphere of influence forever more. The Ukrainian people would just have to "suck it up" from their new Russian masters - just as the 150m serfs back home have to do.

It never occurred to them for even a moment that the war might be lost and that Russia might have to handle the fallout of losing a war to their smaller neighbour.

Well if Putin thought sending young men and middle aged old guys to war with no correct training not to mentions lack of gear ... Well the out come to that can now be seen. Its no wonder the Ukrainian president was at a loss for words last week. The true and compleat loss to Russia in this war may never be known as the Russians are well known for cover ups. Its time some one in Moscow called a spade a spade and went against Putin.

Dude ... we are in Ireland

Pretty much this. As grim as it is to consider, a crowd of untrained kids with barely any armor, clumping together in whatever half-dug hole they managed to cobble together for defense, is going to be light work to a couple of munitions.

An AFU unit with fire control of the area probably could kill a trench filled with dosens of Russians in moments with a couple of mortars. Add the Ukrainian shooters and apparently a helicopter (some kind of gunship?), and a unit of panicking conscripts are toast. Counting the dead is something they’ll only be able to estimate at best right now. Can’t imagine it’s easy to make an accurate count in that chaos.

especially threadbanned ones...

The Germans were in Russia, with no supply lines… very different situation… I’m not sure if this strategy will be effective

I'd say the cause of most conflicts is acquisition of resources by force. All your symbolisms are merely attempts to try and hide this fact.

Theft dressed up in fine clothes.