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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I am hearing about more and more chefs and waiting staff quitting work and either going on welfare or doing shift work in pharmaceuticals or medical devices. They are swapping bad hours and bad wages for stability and a better work-life balance.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Disposable income seems to be getting lower year on year. People being just about to be able to pay the bills and have nothing left over becomes demoralising.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Society is skewed in some respects by STEM and business and finance salaries which have gone through a boom in the past decade.

    Meanwhile, many other sectors have gone nowhere. If you have the choice between working split shifts and unsocial hours in a restaurant, or a 9-5 in a clean pharma company for better pay and great benefits, then what would you choose?

    Does the restaurant give stock options or pension contributions? Do you have corporate outings, team-building days, production bonuses etc? Not a hope, but that's the job market.

    "A couple with 2 children get €450 a week" That's f*cking bleak. Fuel allowance of 924, fair enough. 33euro a week for 7 months of the year. HAP at €21k? Maybe, but that's at the very extreme end of HAP and very few would qualify for that. Besides the family never see this money.

    So you've a family of 4 living on €25k a year. €480 a week to pay for everything besides rent. Not to be bad, but anyone with some gumption can get a job that pays at least that, with the promise of promotions and wage increases.



  • Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    We know what happens as we've been here before. External (to Ireland) economic headwinds catch us and our situation unravels dramatically leaving the government, on the one hand needing to fund less expensive costs of living for social welfare recipients but at the same time they also don't have the cash anyway to spend so much on welfare.

    The country unfortunately continued to borrow huge amounts even after the bailout and even with a few good years of excellent Exchequer returns. The national debt has never been brought down, it has just continued to expand and yet FG would have us believe that the country recovered from 2008 and the can wasn't just kicked down the road. Of course, the country won't go bankrupt from having a national debt that is high, but it will run into issues borrowing to sustain these levels of spending if the debt:GDP ratio collapses and then belts will need to be tightened. Are we heading there? Anyone's guess but we are reliant on a few hyper tech companies for a lot of our tax take and tech is going through a recalibration so it is uncertain for sure how the cookie will crumble.



  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭Xidu


    For 60 euro extra would people choose to work 40 hours or just get gov money?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭Cllr_Dermod_Fahy


    Meta [US:META] Platforms Inc. is planning to begin large-scale layoffs this week, according to people familiar with the matter, in what could be among the largest round in a recent spate of tech job cuts after the industry’s rapid growth during the pandemic.

    The layoffs are expected to affect many thousands of employees and an announcement is planned to come as soon as Wednesday, according to the people. Meta reported more than 87,000 employees at the end of September. Company officials already told employees to cancel nonessential travel beginning this week, the people said.

    The planned layoffs would be the first broad headcount reductions to occur in the company’s 18-year history. While smaller on a percentage basis than the cuts at Twitter Inc. this past week, which hit about half of that company’s staff, the number of Meta employees expected to lose their jobs could be the largest to date at a major technology corporation in a year that has seen a tech industry retrenchment. 

    A spokesman for Meta declined to comment, referring The Wall Street Journal to Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg’s recent statement that the company would “focus our investments on a small number of high priority growth areas.”

    “So that means some teams will grow meaningfully, but most other teams will stay flat or shrink over the next year,” he said on the company’s third-quarter earnings call on Oct. 26. “In aggregate, we expect to end 2023 as either roughly the same size, or even a slightly smaller organization than we are today.”

    The Journal reported in September that Meta was planning to cut expenses by at least 10% in the coming months, in part through staff reductions.

    META currently employs 3k people direct in Ireland, with another 6k as contractors and support operations.

    A 10% cut in workforce across the board would be a loss of around 900 jobs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Free fall must be close now



  • Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Ozark707




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    This somehow slipped under the radar :)

    Elliott Management: "The World Is On The Path To Hyperinflation, Which Is The Direct Route To Global Societal Collapse"

    More articles about what they said but most of them paywalled/



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    But you won't be stuck on minimum wage forever.

    That's all we ever hear these days. Employers are exploiting people on minimum wage. But we never hear that even a minimum wage job is a gateway to something better.



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  • The teams involved in further developing Artificial Intelligence will be kept in the meantime; somebody has to help create the bots that will automate many tech processes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Indeed it is. A 'people that get up in the morning' subpar, mediocre job.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Does anyone get the feeling that these boom bust cycles are created artificially at this stage. If your wealthy make as much money as you can during boom time and buy as much as you can in the pit of things. Is it just me or is there a pattern forming



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Are they?

    The jobs market seems very stratified. Seems those who kept their jobs during COVID are doing very well, and certain sectors are booming. We hear about quiet quitting and the great resignation. How does this jive with the exploitation of employees?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,901 ✭✭✭amacca


    Imo that has always been the pattern.... if you have your head screwed on you can attempt to take advantage.....


    Of course it can be easier to progress the better your starting position


    Interestingly a lot of very wealthy families will have frittered away the family fortune within 3 generations



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Head screwed on. I'd say with most people at the lower end of spectrum the option of head screwed on doesn't apply. If you have the option of doing that yes but i think that particular option is becoming limited to a smaller cohort of people. They fritter away wealth because they did not earn it or work for it. Easy do.





  • First generation builds a good solid business, sometimes with little, and work very hard; second generation with new ideas and hard work expand the business into something big, built on the good reputation of parents; third generation are sometimes bored with being handed a good business on a plate, they either run it to the ground or go into some other occupation, and maybe remaining sibling further loses heart in the business and that’s the end of the little family empire. One can see some of that happening at Ballymaloe. To have to work & struggle to build something can be quite motivating, to have everything handed on a plate can be destructive and demotivating.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,392 ✭✭✭✭Geuze



    Make JSB more generous, i.e. social insurance.

    Allow JSB to expand to 24 mths during a recession.

    Abolish JSA, or reduce it to six months.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,287 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I know their share price has been in the gutter this year.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,625 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Central banks seem to be stocking up lately.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,625 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The German trade surplus looks to be going negative soon enough.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I work for a well known software company. Lots of cost cutting going on lately and later today they are going to announce job cuts in US at least. Only a matter of time before more follow.

    Bad times ahead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭mickey15ie


    Do you reckon its just the IT sectors or all sectors will follow? Currently working in construction at the moment in the residential sector hard to know, is there such a thing as a safe sector?



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,990 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I work for an MNC and we're in the midst of the third round of global layoffs this year. It's certainly hitting home now.

    Thankfully for us, most layoffs have been US based due to lower costs of "separation" (read - severance payments)



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Construction has stalled and we are on the cusp of a recession and unfortunately the first thing to go is the big ticket items starting with new cars and the auld extension. The majority vanity projects will be kicked down the road until inflation is gone and raw materials are back to pre pandemic prices.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    IBEC saying we will avoid recession and expect economic growth, how? A child could see we are headed for a downturn next year coupled with high inflation.

    Tech was never sustainable at these numbers, over hired and way over paid. I wouldn't be using cuts to Meta and Twitter to show the tech bubble is bursting though, they are old tat in the social media world, they've forgotten that no one wants to be on a platform your parents on. Tik Tok is leaving it in the dust while Zuck pisses investors money away on his VR Sims project.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Yeah chickens will be coming home to roost for Ireland in the next 24 months. We never bothered paying down our national debt, we have increased our spend in both public sector wages and welfare and based that on a recurring high corpo taxes return. We have welfare competing with low paid jobs, We have low paid jobs competing with medium wage jobs and those on higher wage are punished for working harder and longer hours as in OT. What will they do next year when the 20Billion corpo tax the government seen this year is a hell of a lot less?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    What will they do next year?, Id say when this hits hard they will rely on the ECB/Fed to forget about their fight against inflation and resume QE and lower interest rates again. Ben Bernanke got awarded a Nobel prize for glorified money printing, thats how f***ked this whole system is. Pivot, lower rates more QE, and control inflation by changing the basket of goods in the CPI in order to lower inflation. Rely on mainstream media to run with this and anyone one who questions this is a conspiracy theorist or ring wing nut.

    Job Done, well done central bankers expect Phillip Lane to be another Irish Nobel prize winner in 15 years time for figuring out how to manipulate the basket of goods for the CPI which in turn quashed inflation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭enricoh


    I think so too. Places screaming for staff n then the government increase the dole, fuel allowance etc last month. Some independent think tank recommended the pension age be increased last year, the government increased the pension instead.

    We were swimming in cash the last few years but didn't pay down debt. vat and capital gains tax went up in the bust making us uncompetitive and weren't brought back down.

    We have an autumn bonus this year along with the Christmas bonus. Surely an Easter bonus next year would be worth a few percentage points in the polls!



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