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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX **Threadbans in OP**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,965 ✭✭✭circadian




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭...Ghost...




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,965 ✭✭✭circadian


    Ah yeah, I thought you completely jumped the shark there.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence.

    That's why incitement to violence, bullying, and all the rest, are forbidden under Musk's terms of use. Nobody, not one person, has suggested changing this.

    An imaginary fiction has been allowed to take hold by critics of Musk - deliberately in my opinion - that Musk wants to open the floodgates to hell, stop all forms of moderation, and transform Twitter into a Neo-Nazi cesspit where references to Hitler and Mussolini are the most common proper nouns.

    I've repeatedly asked for evidence where he specifically wants to do this, and no evidence has come forth.

    There's a reason for that. Because it's entirely made up, an invented fiction designed to smear Musk.

    So don't be persuaded by the manufactured hysteria and misinformation that critics of Musk would want you to believe.

    Better to listen to the man himself:

    Elon Musk wants to end the spam-bot problem, verify users, expand the range of services on offer, improve search capability, preserve reasonable freedom of speech for all sides of the political spectrum, and attempt to make the business sustainable and profitable.

    Who could seriously argue against that?

    All the talk of fascists, neo-Nazis, and opening the floodgates to hell are, at this stage, utterly embarrassing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,006 ✭✭✭Christy42


    He doesn't want to do any of that of that except the profitable business bit.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The big issue with the super wealthy is the fact that they don't pay anything for their "unrealised gains" on their shareholdings/investments.

    Everybody else in the US does though - Through Property taxes.

    If I bought a house 10 years ago for 250k and now it's worth say 400k I've been paying property taxes on that house every year and I'm paying them based on its current value even though I haven't "realised" the potential gains from the increased value of the house.

    If instead I'd spent 250k on Stock 10 years ago , I would not have paid a penny in taxes

    Average Property in the US is about 1% (much higher in some places) so the property owner above has been paying between $2500 and $4000 every year for the last 10 years , maybe $35k all in, whereas the stock/share owner has paid absolutely nothing.

    Imagine the amount of money that would be able for things like Education and healthcare if all "assets" were taxed equally??



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    His announcements over the past couple of days - indeed, things he has been saying for months - would render that statement utterly false.

    You seem to know what Musk wants more than Musk himself.

    Which of the two is more likely?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Only the other day he was sharing inaccurate nonsense.

    He's all over the place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,244 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I suspected that it was going to be a train-wreck under Musk but I didn't expect it to happen so quickly. He very clearly has absolutely no idea what he's doing and is making up the rules as he goes along. With users and advertisers streaming for the exits and him paying an estimated triple what the company is actually worth he's basically created a massive rod to beat himself with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Openly impersonating someone to push her political opinions. Big no no and against Twitters rules. Always was.

    The site is better without her on it



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,006 ✭✭✭Christy42


    lol. His actions say otherwise. His statements are just to convince people like you to give him money and for his own ego. He just says some buzzwords and his fans lap it up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Did anyone expect anything less than complete outrage when the echo chamber of the left saw the hammer blows breaking through their walls and opening them up to reality? They still deny that Twitter was a one-sided platform. In fairness, boards is not too dis-similar these days and it's a worse place for it.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,249 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    The world doesn't need billionaires. Musk gets the headlines because he's an insufferable attention seeker but the rest should be taxed out of existence too.

    It's morally indefensible to hold more wealth than you could reasonably spend in a lifetime and no matter how much you fan boys lick his boots, Musk ain't going to share his 200+ billion fortune with ye unless they're forced to by proper tax policies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Cheers. I saw an article about it. Funny stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭McFly85


    End Twitters dependency on advertising, their primary source of income? Good luck with that.

    Social media likes to think it’s more essential than it actually is. Start telling people they have to pay to use it and watch it die overnight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    why anyone would expect Elon to share money with them? people who support him are fine, they already have jobs and money

    I'm glad he stepped in, twitter needed some proper reshuffling



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    You're comparing apples and oranges. With a property, you pay money in and you either live in it, or benefit by renting it out. With a stock/share, you pay money in and see no benefit until you sell it, at which point you pay taxes on any gains. You also risk losing it all when the market or just the stock you invested in tanks. I would imaging the stock market would be a lot smaller if people were taxed for each gain, because they certainly wouldn't receive any breaks for the downtimes.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,249 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Oh, and "agenda driven" isn't the own you think it is. Every person on the planet has an agenda. For most, it's simply to be able to live comfortably and provide adequately for their families while leading lives that cause as few problems to others as possible.

    For Musk and his ilk, it's to hoard as much wealth as possible, regardless of the consequences to their fellow man.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Precisely.

    People have to ask themselves the questions:

    • Which side is engaging in a tsunami of "misinformation"?
    • Which side is posting nothing but "abuse" and "hating" on others?
    • Who is engaging in "conspiracy theories" about people's motives?
    • Who is arguing against the idea of "free speech"?

    In other words, all the things that critics of Musk attribute to him or his alleged actions - namely, "misinformation" (deliberately done en masse to overwhelm), "abuse", "hate", "conspiracy theories", denying "free speech", are all attributes of the critics themselves, not of Musk.

    This is a perfect example of projection - projecting negative attributes onto others when they actually apply to yourself.

    Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.

    We are seeing misinformation constantly invented against Musk; quotes taken out of context; the constant stream of abuse and hatred of the man is extreme - just take a look at the comments here or throughout Twitter itself; the conspiracy theories about how Musk is secretly going to remove all moderation to make it a Neo-Nazi Valhalla; and now accusing Musk of being in favour of censorship and denying free speech.

    All invented. All projected.

    You couldn't make it up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Is this spite driven, or driven by what you earlier claimed, a desire to help those who are suffering? Which according to you is because of billionaires. It's always hard to tell with the language Marxists use. The supposedly compassionate theory, relies on the belief that governments use money well and they just need some more of it to save us all. Any of us who weren't born yesterday know that governments have always and will always spend terribly. States getting millions, or even billions more from the likes of Musk won't change a thing, because most of the money will be blown on useless things that benefit few people, as they always have. It's a child like view of how thing can be fixed, if that is true motivation of course, which I'm skeptical of.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I do find such comments interesting. Aside from Musks wealth, what else does he hoard?

    From what I know, he seems to put his wealth into businesses which are beneficial to to society as a whole....or in the case of twitter, to change it from a left wing platform to something more balanced. I don't think he owns super yachts, or F1 cars. OK, he owns a few rockets, but hasn't travelled in one yet (unless he really is an alien) 😆

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Investors do like people with a vision who are not afraid of change and who are able to transform their company when it's needed



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Musk could have retired with tens of billions in the bank. At that level of wealth, Musk could have whatever he wanted, holidayed forever etc.

    But he opted to work on large-scale, creative projects that have the capacity to improve society on the whole. Let's not forget that the kind of projects Musk works on, tend to have positive offshoots of other kinds of research or novel products, that can have a transformative societal impact.

    But alas, that doesn't matter to some.

    Musk has been declared Public Enemy Number One. All else is propaganda.

    More juvenile attacks against Musk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭erlichbachman




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Tax him out of existence = socialist extremeism 101..

    Lol, the man has a sense of humour, gotta give him that




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,044 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Maybe his retweeting of far right conspiracy theories about the far right terrorist attack that fractured the skull of an 82 year old man, and his retweeting of a nazi who is convicted of possession of child sexual abuse material led to some confusion about his plans for a neo Nazi cesspit?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Perhaps , yet if the property lost value you'd still have to pay property taxes on the lower value no matter how under water you might be.

    The "Stock market being smaller" wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing that money would instead be out there, active in the economy being spent or indeed invested in physical things. Both things far more likely to stimulate real growth than massive amounts of money locked away in shares doing nothing for the wider economy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,413 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It's a common enough practice to make teams redundant but then to ask some staff back on contract to complete specific projects.

    It's also not uncommon for hiring to start immediately after redundancy for new positions as a company changes its focus or direction.

    There's a narrative being painted here by people who hate Musk. Fairly common redundancy procedures being executed by Twitter are seemingly just another excuse to have a pop at him.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    far-right, far-right, Nazi, Neo-Nazi...

    Child sexual abuse, that's a new one.

    Ugh...

    It's so predictable.

    Anything to smear the man by association, no matter how twisted the attempt.

    That's hilarious.

    At least amid all the abuse he receives, Musk is able to sustain a great sense of humour.



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