Dublin - Metrolink (Swords to Charlemont only)

Good lord. Can the original poster go back and change the example to a family with 2 kids and wheely bags. No prams. Prams are highly highly controversial it seems.

Then we can start this whole conversation again - if people think a 6-10minute walk down the busiest street in Ireland (never mind the social issues) quantifies as a "good connection" - which I believe was the original question.

The answer is no btw 😅

Change the example all you want, it doesn't make any difference. It doesn't matter if you consider it a good connection or not, it is the only realistic option. Mining a tunnel would be incredibly expensive and unjustifiable for the small benefit it would bring. If that is what people are nitpicking over, it shows the plan overall is a very good one.

It's easy to say the design isn't suitable but the alternative would be an enormous amount of work and horrendously expensive. How does it even work in practice? How do you get to street level at Abbey Street, there is limited space and there is an enormous amount of services under the road and footpath there as they can't be under the Luas tracks? It's all well and good saying the design isn't suitable when you don't have to consider the actual implications of what you consider suitable.

A few minutes walk at surface level to interchange is not such a big issue and is not not uncommon elsewhere.

I've been very clear on my opinion here - this should be built as planned, let's get on with it.

However, the "OCS" Metro stop is basically "Parnell" and it absolutely cannot be considered well connected to the Red Line, which the designers claim it is. If you add in the broader Bus Connects, it's horrendously badly connected. Remember Bus Connects plans all routes to cross over along the quays and OCS / OCS bridge.

You'd barely even notice my "crayon addition", but an entrance to the station on the south end of the platform would reduce the walking distance by 130m. This is a 25% reduction which is not inconsequential.

Thanks! Yeah I forgot the East-West spines continue along the quays and interact with Tara.

Do you know on OCS, most bus stops are currently on the northern end, especially the Northern direction buses. With Bus Connects, are they creating new stops nearer to the bridge to allow spine interchange there?

This is not the location of the OCS stop, it is to be further southwest under the "Carlton Cinema Site" and the entrance will be south of Cathal Brugha Street.

Most of the biggest city centre metro stations in Europe involve walks like this to go between lines, whether it's over or underground. Chatelet Station in Paris is like a maze, not too hard to get lost in there.

Putting 'very bad' in bold doesn't lend it any more authority.

As repeatedly stated by people, 400/500 metre is within the range of 'normal max length' for a transfer between two separate lines on a system. It is unfortunate that it is outdoors whereas transfers of comparable length tend to be covered (although from my limited Parisian experience that can be unpleasant as well with crowded stuffy corridors and staircases).

No-one is claiming it is ideal, but you really are completely exaggerating how bad it is.

It's not that simple.

You also have to assume people walk 4-500 metres at either end of their journeys. This is why minimizing connection times and distances is crucial.

Adding an additional 450m in town makes for total walking up to 1.5km (for lots of people) - this is where people start taking alternative means such as a car.

There is a whole science around human behaviour in situations like this - my opinion is not based on nothing and it is not dramatised.

Oh c'mon, you can't seriously compare Dublin to New York, London and Paris.

3 of the biggest cities on the entire planet.

The 3 oldest Metro systems on the entire planet.

3 of the largest Metro systems on the entire planet.

Then there's Dublin. Give me a break.

Once metrolink is built and if it turns out to be really unbearable I fully support a separate project to connect the metro station by underground walkway to a new entrance at Abbey St and a link to the basement of Clearys Easons and Penneys make it a part of the shopping experience