Best Electricity Plan for new EV Owners

Electric Ireland.

I've put up information for one reason only - to help inform others who might be making a similar decision. You seem to be continually proving that your deal is best, which no doubt it is for you. But why keep quoting BG rates when that's not what I have been talking about?

Maybe a misunderstanding all around, but if the rates and time zones I have posted are correct for Electric Ireland (they are) then it may be best not to keep muddying the waters for others who may be interested. If you feel that's 'petulant' well so be it. Not intended that way at all.

Sure, why not. People seem to pay about €2500 per 5kWh module? So that's a bargain €125k for 50 of them 🤣

But seriously, someone just showed me the current Energia EV plan, but that's not as shocking as their current EV smart meter plan. With a day (non peak) rate of 53c and a night rate of 28c, the only reasonable rate is the EV rate of 13c which is only valid from 2AM to 6AM. You'd really need 3ph connection, an EV that can charge at 22kW and a couple of inverters that can charge your 80kWh battery at 20kW.

At the start of this year I thought 8kwp and a 15-20kWp battery (all DIY) were already at the very top of what would pay for itself in a reasonable time (<10 years). I am already well past half way to doubling both and that might not even be the end of it.

Basically! 100kWh per month in the T&Cs:

Electric Ireland are on the other hand very vague - basically if they decide you are using too much free energy they can cut you off. I would hazard a guess if you were charging a typical BEV 10-100% every weekend along with batch washing, tumble drying, cooking, etc. you would be deemed to be using too much.

Hi. I just got first Energia electricity bill having switched in September. Have a 5kw solar system and a day/night meter. Received €37 credit for exporting 208 Kw units which I'm happy with. With a day/ night meter is this likely to change in the summer months or do they average out the credit for deemed export as I presume day/night meter cannot read export.

Thanks

Was thinking that but was hopeful it would increase in the summer months. Many thanks

just out of interest, what happens if you don't take a EV deal. Also no day/night meter, smart meter but not on a smart plan. I see our rate is 44.3 c but we get 25% discount for the next 1.5 years (due to a dispute earlier this year). Would it work out cheaper.

I am looking at the BG rates, i see no big difference at all, i think our current plan would be cheaper or am i wrong?

https://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/home/our-plans

Hardee har har, n00b overpays for fancy battery box shocker. Yes I did.

Agree with the rest of the post. I was actually only thinking that (jokingly), how long until paying for 3 phase would make sense if I get lumped onto a smart meter with oonly 4 hours of good nightrate pricing.

Now you're sucking diesel!👊😏

We have a car ordered for January hopefully. We have a smart meter but still on a standard non-smart plan with 18% discount with EI, until April. I have run the numbers on EV plans based on us charging the car for 4 hours at night and continuing to use our normal 11-12 units a day, saying 3 at night and 9 during the day with 3 of those at peak time if there is one. We're on a rural meter.

60 day totals are as follows (last week or week before):

Energia D/N = €563

Energia 2 year EV Smart = €595

BG EV = €634

EI Smart night boost = €642

Airtricity night boost = €648 (only found this tonight so not sure if it's only brand new)

Last bill with half a month of latest price hikes was 250 so either way it's going to be a huge jump but will go up in April anyway if not before.

At least half of the difference between EI and Energia is down to the mad EI standing charge (€483.71), which makes me wonder do I have the correct rural standing charge for Energia but that's what came up when I put in my MPRN (€236.62?). So €80 difference between EI and Energia D/N. EI do have a €150 bonus which would cover 2 bills' difference but not sure do I get that if I'm already with EI, albeit a different plan?

I could live with the Energia smart rate if needs be. But assuming I want to switch to D/N what do I do - call EI and ask to be put on a Day/Night meter and then switch to Energia? If EI do do it, should it be for free? And if I ever want to change back to smart meter in the future, I'll have to pay for it then? Any idea how much that would cost me? We're hoping to get panels in the next year or so - if I want to sell back to the grid, do I need to be on a smart meter? For the sake of 30 euro every 2 months I don't want to mess us up for the future. Thanks!

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Where are you seeing those rates?

I've just checked the Electric Ireland website and I'm seeing 43.68 day and 21.55 night.

Also worth noting that's the urban standing charge for D/N that you quoted, the rural charge is €483.71.

this seems excessive? are you doing a lot of driving? how many times a week do folks charge the car. Those figures above are scary.

We don't have the car yet but we would probably do 70km a day on average, based on yearly 25000km. We spend about 250 a month on diesel if not more. Himself has a 50km commute, country roads, and then there's usually at least trip to one of the local towns for some sort of extracurricular something in the evenings. So we were thinking a full charge every 3 days or a smaller charge nightly but we don't know yet if it's better to do the full charge every few nights or the smaller one nightly to use the cheaper 2 or 4 hours or whatever the plans give us.

Likewise we may end up being able to shift a good bit of the usage to night rate but not keen on having everything run at night so not sure how that will work. Plus probably won't use too much at peak but people gotta eat. So was trying to go with worst case scenarios.

But definitely, unless you're already on a cheapy energia plan, there's no value out there at all. Hoping to get solar in the spring which will help, but involves chopping down a load of trees first so that's going to be a big cost too.

Is it ok to charge your car from say 60 to 80% everynight or should you let it run down and do 20 to 80 every 3 nights?

Best D/N rate is energia, night rate is 15c for new customers (I have 7c fixed till next summer with them!)

Might be worth including a FIT tariff in that for the smart meter , a smart meter may result in you getting less than the formula currently used for the D/N, think I’m only exporting 15-20% of what they estimate ..gets more complicated by the day