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2022 US Mid-Term Elections Thread (election date: Tuesday, 8th November)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    They didn't get BBB passed. Manchin & Sinema torpedoed it. They ended up coming up with the Inflation Reduction Act a year later which was basically a watered down version of BBB. The crucial thing though is they could have passed either of those bills with a simple majority (or 50 votes + the VP in this case) due to the nature of the bill .

    They couldn't do that with voting reform, Puerto Rico as a 51st state, reproductive rights or any other bills like that. All of those would require getting rid of the filibuster which Manchin flat out refused to do (Kyrsten Sinema wasn't going to do it either but give her state they might have been able to twist her arm).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,586 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Voting reform would not have required breaking the filibuster. They had the energy and moral high ground after Jan 6, and squandered it. A spectacular failure, and baffling. From a purely political stand point, voting reform would benefit the Dems massively, likely securing them Congressional control for the foreseeable future.

    It should've been the singular focus for them. The viability of all their other legislative goals flows from there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Dems will be grateful for the filibuster if the senate goes against them as the next cycle is pretty brutal also tbf.

    Looking at the senate later, Oz probably crawls over the line mainly due to how poorly Fetterman is finishing the campaign , Georgia goes to a run off, Vance should be fine and CCM and Hasan barely hold on. Hasan incredibly fortunate that the GOP picked a dud because she was so vulnerable this time round.

    Arizona very hard to call, Kelly is strong in the state has spent a lot, but it's a still a purple state and if Lake and the GOP have a good night then he is very vulnerable. Betting sites have them very close, gun to head Kelly but with no confidence at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,586 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    The Senate could pass a parliamentary rule change to add voting legislation to the list of items that only require a simple majority. Likely to end up at the Supreme Court, but then they'd just be back where they started, having actually tried something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    They tried that but Manchin & Sinema wouldn't go for it.

    Democrats then attempted to change the rules to exempt the bill from the filibuster, but Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema opposed the change.

    link



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,298 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The Democrats have even had their own think tanks call out the party for not focusing on the economy and inflation.


    That will cost them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,674 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    Guam looking like a republican win for the first time in 36 years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The filibuster is a parliamentary procedure which the Constitution explicitly delegates to the Houses of Congress to decide themselves. Unlikely the Supreme Court would intervene in the filibuster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,674 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    Huge on ground turn out should favour gop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Looks like an absolute bloodbath in Florida, remarkable that was a swing state not so long ago and DeSantis crawled over the line in 2020.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,674 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    Mi ami dade going gop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Yeah it's fascinating the way that states change over time. For years Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania were always the big three of swing states. Only 1 of them left now. At the same time Colorado and Virginia have become blue states and Georgia and Arizona have become swing states. Swings and roundabouts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    Yep of course Rubio and DeSantis won't be around forever so it could swing back one day.

    This isn't a great start if you are hoping for a Red Wave in the senate, looks like a much more comfortable win for Hasan than some predicted in New Hampshire.

    Republican majority on betfair was 1.3 now 1.77 ,,,so still favored but going to be a few close ones!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Warnock going well too. Lot of split ticket voting clearly happening in GA with Kemp cruising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Yeah I think I referenced their was plenty of Warnock/Kemp voters.

    Vance struggling in Ohio and Budd in North Carolina, they should still win comfortably enough as plenty of counting to come but this isn't ideal signs for those all in on a red wave.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Voting rights is THE most political issue in thr US. How can you describe it as apolitical?


    The GOP have made an art form out of tipping the scales in their favour. The Democrats need about 55% of the vote to win 50% of the seats in the House. The GOP know their path to victory only works if they suppress the Dem vote. They don’t want voter rights, they want to take the right away from as many people as possible

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The headline so far: it wasn’t as bad as expected for the Democrats. The GOP definitely win the House as expected but the Senate is still close.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    STOP THE COUNT!

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Brutal performance by the Republicans all told. The Trump MAGA influence isn't good for the ballot box.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Superb night really.

    The Georgia senate runoff will be close as its a purple state now, but its going to be very hard for Walker as their will be no Kemp to do any heavy lifting .

    Governor races where they were predicted to struggle look rosy mainly Arizona.

    Downside is the likely loss of the house but margin will be small and the DeSantis issue. I see a lot of sniping online but a lot of people are going to have to acknowledge no matter your opinion on his politics this dude is a seriously formidable politician and if he comes through a primary the dems have a serious problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,973 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Watching Fox News and its not surprising so many American's haven't got a **** clue. They are so biased, and truth seems to be a concept that doesn't matter to them. I know we all know this already, but christ almighty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Results for me show for me Trump won't get re elected if he runs .With all the issues over there overall has been a poor night for the red side . They have plenty to mull over now Good night for De Santis another headache for some in the party .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Interesting to see this, as Trump is going to announce, but there may be pressure for RDS to run against him within the party.

    Then again if they can get Moore vs Harper through the SC they won't give a ****.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Have you seen Newsmax or OAN? It’s even worse.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    If someone told me OAN was a parody channel from Starship Troopers I'd believe you



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Put on OAN there for a minute...bloody hell. People actually watch this, and think its news? Country's fucked.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    People like to grumble about how something like Blazing Saddles couldn't be made anymore - they're wrong, but that's another matter. It's stuff like Starship Troopers' open, lurid parody of propaganda networks that couldn't be done anymore. Cos as pointed out above, they exist without an ounce of subtly or shame. If a blockbuster tried to mock these networks there'd be an angry campaign from the RIght Wing about Woke this and Liberal that, because the American media landscape now openly embraces and encourages this kind of frothy-mouthed vitriol passing for "News"



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  • Administrators Posts: 54,123 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think after this it will be De Santis on the ticket in 2024, not Trump.

    But we'll probably get to witness some red-on-red infighting until then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Boeberts race is incredibly tight which is surprising(not because she’s any good but because she’s well known) - NYT still has her projected just about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Infighting?

    They'll be eating their young.

    Trump is done. One and done.

    Kevin McCarthy might be too, as House leader. McConnell is big enough to hang on, and move the narrative to the centre ahead of DeSantis24.

    But lets be clear, the only issue that was big enough to stall the default position of selfish, greedy American voters was Roe.

    This was all about abortion and the 'Red Wave' was held back by Women,many of them traditional Republicans, who though they may never have had so much as a conversation with another living soul about it, despised the USSC for what they did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,586 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




    Improving votingv access ought to be an apolitical one, and in better times that bill would've sailed thru both houses.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,161 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    And never was.

    Trying to suppress or ban certain sections from voting is as old as the democratic process whether it be gender, race or class all have been suppressed at some stage.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Just as a follow-up to my own previous comments about the modern GOP: this is the rhetoric & ideology they're focusing on. Not exclusively, but it's fair to suggest DeSantis is someone who revels and embraces this canard of "Woke" being the apparent biggest threat to American Norms. There always has to be a villain.

    “We fight the woke in the legislature,” DeSantis said, to steadily mounting cheers. “We fight the woke in the schools, we fight the woke in the corporations. We will never ever surrender to the woke mob. Florida is where woke goes to die.”

    Watched the video contextual to this and it's just the worst kind of empty rhetoric. If this is the 2024 candidate-pretender then it's going to be another ugly Presidential cycle. Unless of course you buy into this antagonism - then I guess you're relishing the "liberal tears".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    For sure, but it does make me laugh seeing people who rightfully call out fox for their bias and then post clips from MSNBC which is an absolute echo chamber for the dem party. There is very little standard old school media where the bias isn't obvious. CNN to their credit are much better than people think, partisan loons on both sides hate them so must be doing something right.

    For sure, I think most at the time acknowledged it would but had hoped in the last few weeks that it wasn't such an issue ,,,whoops.

    However candidate quality was the big issue here, Abbot signed of a very unpopular and restrictive abortion bill and stomped Beto , DeWine and Kemp also signed off on similar type bills and both did really well outrunning their MAGA Governors on their respective tickets.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Former Obama staffer on CNN now saying Democrats ran "excellent local races"

    She's spoofing her head off of course, they expected it to be carnage and instead its only (probably) a mild loss to no definitive control in the House.

    It was the young and women voting liberal in huge numbers on conservative moves that did it, as exemplified by the abortion referendums at State level going in favour of women's reproductive rights in every case, even in the likes of Kentucky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,161 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well surely that means they did actually run "excellent local races"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They can, but other commentators disagreed that it was.

    Its quite widely acknowledged that the Dem base was pretty deflated and rudderless of late. Of course thats not universal, but I do think many of these results are in spite of Democratic national leadership, not because of it.

    If the Dems have any sense now, they will use this time to bring in new congressional leadership and put faces out front that reflect young America and will lead a massive effort for the next two years.

    If these younger people have been politicised by Roe and the MAGA agenda, holding on to their engagement is the most important job in American politics this decade.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The Dem base was energised and voted. It’s not a bad result for a mid term incumbent. The swing vote went GOP.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Never a bad day to hear that Trump is stressing himself into an early grave.

    One suspects that McConnell/DeSantis will move to bring in all the senior Republicans with them and rule Trump's return out early. Who knows how Trump's legal problems will go, but if they throw him under the bus today, they can focus on the work at hand and it won't matter what happens to Trump between now and November 2024.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The point being, younger and women voters self-directed on the issues, rather than being necessarily wooed by Democrat candidates.

    I'd go as far as to say, that if Roe V Wade had had no action by the US Supreme Court in this cycle, that the GOP would be celebrating a much bigger night of results right now.

    In other words, the Dems need to not let any of this go to their head, especially with the economic challenges ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    One thing that has been made abundantly clear is most voters do not want strict pro-life legislation. I wonder will the GOP have a rethink about how fully throated they wanted to be seen on this issue in the future.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Have CNN on, John King is in front of the screen. He’s refusing to call the House for the GOP.


    I wasn’t even planning to watch until a few hours ago. Races are close across the country. A 51-49 senate for the Dems looks possible. But so does a 51-49 for the GOP. The House looks like it’ll be less that 10 seats in it. This absolutely beats the historical averages for Midterm incumbents

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,161 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Neither of us can do anything other than speculate on that first point. You have no idea who mobilized this vote.

    I think you are reading way too much into this. Its pretty normal for someone to throw a quick word of praise at the local campaigners who have had a good night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Nevada will go Red, Arizona Blue and the final result will need to wait for the Georgia runoff next month (senate)



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