Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Presently (and for the foreseeable future anyway) There is not a Ukrainian alive who will accept any peace negotiations with Russia. What was discovered in the liberated areas was shocking beyond belief. Barbaric is not a valid description of it. Murder, Rape and Torture of Men Women and Children. Theft and destruction of property. Terror on a massive scale, that's still on going. If support for Ukraine dropped in future, and Russia succeeded in taking Ukraine, Ukrainianians would fight on with their bare hands, if necessary, and make the Afghan resistance to the Russians look like a tea party. The pain that Putin has inflicted on Ukraine will never be forgiven.

During a recent interview president Zelensky was talking about victory and a trip to Crimea to visit the sea ,

For anyone who's doubting the idea the Ukrainians will suddenly stop at Kherson,I think they are wrong I believe the will push all the way to the kirsch bridge, before blowing it up once every last Russian has left .

Absolutely. It appears to be "abandoned" by the Russian administration, however what forces lurk there I don't know. I would say Ukr will approach very carefully.

Which tweet?

There are many conflicting reports about Kherson, some are that Russian roadblocks have been abandoned, that certain administrative buildings are abandoned - it's hard to know whether these are true, partially true or false, and whether it's all on purpose as part of an operation against the city.

The Russians could be laying a trap, sowing false info, likewise the Ukrainians could be doing the same to mask the on-going operation.

Everything should be taken with a pinch of salt, until better corroboration comes in.

That said, your posts fixate on anything at all that can throw a negative light on Ukraine and it's international support. The truth indeed.

"We are owed the truth."

No, we're not owed the truth right now from Ukraine about any military deception operations they are planning.

And if a Ukranian newspaper was genuinely taken in by a Russian disinformation campaign, who "owes" you the truth?

The Russian liar or the Ukranian victim?

Or maybe, you are still not owed anything - Ukraine knows it is a deception, but had to play along, because it doesn't want Russia to know that it knows.

I’d hazard a guess that there is a large overlap between the both-siders, secret Russian supporters who are afraid to come clean, peaceniks, war truthers, and conspiracy theorists. Actually, the playbooks are so similar they are probably one and the same.

As nuts as it is the grim fact is some Irish people hate Ukrainian refugees or support Putin or loathe the West to an extreme degree or whatever. They are "smart" enough to to know these are ridiculous positions to have, so they mask them. Behind the usual "I'm just asking questions" or whatever mental gymnastics. For a short period it can work, but over time obvious red flags are obvious.

Adverbial , Do you NOT realise that such information you require is the same as ‘ commercially sensitive ‘ information. So we will not be getting it and I , for one, will not be expecting it. Such information that you require will be released in due course when it is no longer useful to anyone - BUT ESPECIALLY THE RUSSIANS ans Ru sympathisers.

you are an experienced Boardie and have been a prolific contributor to this thread. So I am REALLY wondering why you have now raised this lack of this information at this time when you consider my above point. Would love to get your reason for raising the issue

The thing is, this is common knowledge. Russia committed crimes against humanity.

At this stage, anyone who denies this can't have the excuse of not knowing, or whatever bullsh*t reason they give.

They are not to be viewed as decent people IMO. They support this carry on and probably get off on it. I would have no hesitation to describe such a person as a scumbag.

Massive news just out, the Russians have ordered their army to abandon Kherson on the same day that their installed leader of Kherson was killed in a car crash.

Essentially means Ukraine have retaken Kherson.

Huge blow to Putin.

I would expect the Kherson residents /army would be extremely cognicent of the type of ‘presents’ that the withdrawing Ru army would have left for them. And therefor proceed accordingly

The Ru may send bombs , etc, across the river to try and level Kherson to the ground and keep out the pop/army from occupying it. But apart from that holding on to it should not require a large Ukr army presence . After all the Ru have vacated it and the Ukr can keep a close eye on Ru movements in the meantime

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