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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    is there any evidence of people being encouraged to go to Ireland?

    And it’s widely accepted now, even among senior government ministers, that Rwanda will never happen. 2 years is nowhere near enough time to clear all the court hurdles. Talking now about ditching the whole plan and using the money to improving the speed of the asylum process



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Immigration officials in UK are being put under severe pressure (by politicians mostly) and are playing the Rwanda card big time to put the fear of God into illegal migrants. All this is done of course verbally, off the record etc. knowing full well that newly arrived migrants are not up to speed on the current status of the Rwanda legislation in the courts. Immigration have funds available to ''help'' those illegals who ''wish'' to move to third countries, including Ireland, to buy tickets etc. The vast majority of these migrants speak some english and no other second language, their plan from day one was to come to the UK so they learned the language, but that door is gradually being closed officially and unofficially. So Ireland is their next port of call as we speak english and provide many other financial inducements.

    The UK voted to leave the EU, not take back control of their economy, commerce, or free markets but take back control of their borders, in other words to stop the continuous and ever increasing wave after wave of migrants. As they gradually tighten their grip we can expect the numbers of illegals arriving here to quadruple in the coming years. What we have seen to date is the tip of the iceberg.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’m interested as to the course of the assertion that immigration are funding travel to Ireland. I’m British as well as Irish, and listen to British news every day. I’d never heard of this. I’m not saying it’s not happening…..I’d just be interested in reading what sources you might have



  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    Well Ireland's government strongly supports the NGO's, the NGO's bring the immigrants here. A few month's ago they brought a plane load of kids without any oversight.

    If the government said to the NGO's they will cut funding if the are bringing migrants here they would stop. The government supports this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,229 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The Home Office financing flights to Ireland for illegal immigrants would be quite the scoop.

    I too would like to know the sources of this information. Major scandal if true. Especially when you consider who we share the island with.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,841 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But she's only asking for advice. She doesn't actually say she has made a decision to come to Ireland. Also, it is not official Irish government policy that the country is "full" or is no longer accepting Ukrainian refugees. We have simply asked the Ukrainian authorities to relay to potential travellers that there are very serious accommodation problems for refugees at the moment and to factor that in when making a decision.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,524 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Yonce threadbanned



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tonycascarino


    I read online that the place in Tipperary have now defeated the Dublin property company who have pulled out of buying the 12 Holiday Cottages. The chancers thought it would be a great idea to dump 70 refugees/fake refugees and more into a small village down the country and get rewarded with huge profits from the government while sitting in Dublin and the local people would be left with all the problems. People power has won out. The people of Killarney and elsewhere know what to do...



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,229 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So they continue to be derelict.

    That's a shame.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’m torn on this.

    On the one hand locals aren’t overwhelmed by a large influx of refugees.

    On the other hand, deteriorating buildings, for the most time empty for years, deteriorating further and becoming derelict shells of no use to anyone.

    No winners here.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,229 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ireland certainly opened its heart and its doors in the first few months of this war - however we’re not equipped to house large volumes of refugees over the medium term in safe reasonable quality accommodation- I actually feel a sense of guilt posting here sometimes when I criticise the decisions of government around taking over hotels in tourist destinations or doubling the population of a village over night- these people are coming from a war torn country and deserve our support and respect- but we’re not doing ourselves or them any favours trying to maintain promises made at the start of the war when maybe people thought it was a very temporary situation



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Some of them are coming from war thorn countries but some aren’t.


    Like Georgia and Albania for example.


    Therein lies the problem. People don’t like been taken for mugs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,229 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Ireland certainly opened its heart and its doors

    Puckane didn't.

    Now they get to watch 12 cottages descend into further disrepair. Everyone's a winner.

    I do wonder was it everyone in the village were that myopic or was it just the usual squeaky wheels.

    Turning away predominately women and children fleeing war is also a burden they will have to carry as they watch the 12 empty homes continue to be unoccupied.


    “It's shocking to see the amount of empty properties in towns and villages,” said Cllr Morris.

    Cllr Joe Hannigan said the volume of unoccupied houses in towns and villages hit home with him while he and his team were canvassing door-to-door during the last general election. So many properties remain unoccupied, he said

    Both objected to Puckane. 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,541 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    In this case they weren't empty for years, they were still being used for tourists until this summer when the got sold off.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Were always going to have to deal with an influx of asylum seekers be they fleeing from war torn countries, economic migrants, criminals or whatever - we have special allowances in place right now for Ukrainians - but we’ve over promised what we could do for them -

    Youre going to see a lot more tightening of immigration rules in all western countries soon- UK is just the start- in the UK in 20I9 think 50 Albanians entered the UK- in 2021 it was 800- in 2022 its 12,000- they are fleeing because there is no work or future for them in Albania- that’s just one country - think of when global warming really starts to kick in in Africa- this challenge won’t go away



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,229 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    According to the local media they have been empty since 2020.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    We have had thousands of homeless irish people for years.

    It is a shame that they have been derelict for years when they could have kept irish people off the streets.

    I agree with you for once it really is a shame they have been derelict.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,229 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Homeless people are very much concentrated in the main cities. Also homeless is very much a catch all term for a lot of different cohorts and just because you are labelled homeless does not necessarily mean you don't actually have a home.

    Either way I doubt they would move to rural Tipperary.

    Refugees would, that is the difference.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shirley though, we can find deserted buildings in large towns and cities? I don’t believe it’s correct to dump dozens of refugees in a one horse town with a population of less than 300, do you?

    Yes deserted buildings in any town is an eyesore- but is filling them with refugees the answer? The temporary accommodation today we well know will become the permanent asylum seeker hubs of tomorrow- do you honestly think the government will close down those places after the Ukrainian war ends? These will be permanent arrangements.

    We have to have sensible solutions brought to the table- these sort of proposals are only making the situation worse and annoying ordinary decent people.

    Do you think it’s right?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    the cottages could of course be put on the open market and sold.

    Every property in this country can be sold at the right price......speaking from experience here



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,229 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Well if you are going to use emotive language like "dump" you'll only perceive the negatives.

    Also isn't it the large towns and cities that are acutely struggling with accommodation, schools, etc.

    Again it's an emergency situation - you pick the lowest hanging fruit first, 12 homes which are in need of basic repair and could be used almost immediately will continue to be idle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,229 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The village want them to remain as short term lets for tourism.

    It was one of their main objections. Although they have vacant for over a couple of years and seem to have a bit of chequered history.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,541 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Trip advisors shows reviews and stays until this year, and they were still actively taking bookings in may.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,229 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I have no idea, it was linked on here that local media reported they had been empty since 2020. 🤷‍♂️



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s not emotive language- they will be “dumped” and the very small community will be tasked with dealing with the issue whilst the politicians wash their hands and say we don’t have the budget- as for schools over subscribed etc, that’s a national issue that’s not going away any time soon- but dumping dozens of people in a town with a population of less than 300 is just plain wrong- it’s fact not emotion.

    Now if you said 5-10 people were being moved into this village then yes, whilst not ideal for the Ukrainians because of a total lack of amenities there, they could probably cope with the support of the community - but even then, medium term, it would become challenging for all involved- larger towns have dozens of deserted buildings and better amenities - small rural villages could cope with very small numbers but that means a lot more work for the government which they’re obviously not prepared to do and want the shortest route to housing without taking into account the medium term problems they’re storing up



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,229 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It’s not emotive language- they will be “dumped” and the very small community will be tasked with dealing with the issue whilst the politicians wash their hands and say we don’t have the budget-

    as for schools over subscribed etc, that’s a national issue that’s not going away any time soon

    Nope. It's a concentrated issue.

    Overall, the new enrolments have added 1pc to 2pc to the school population of last January.

    Before the arrival of the Ukrainian pupils, there were an estimated 25,000 spare places in primary schools and an estimated 15,000 to 18,000 in post-primary schools. 




  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ha - the fund will help them “enhance the facilities they have”- what facilities??? 😂😂😂😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,229 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


     very small community will be tasked with dealing with the issue whilst the politicians wash their hands and say we don’t have the budget

    What were you referencing so? 😕

    Anyway Quick google suggests, roads maintenance, sewage, water and broadband issues for that particular village. Not to mention derelict buildings. 🤷‍♂️

    That's when you need your local politicians, you know the ones that are aghast and shocked at empty homes to actually box clever.

    The likes of German regional governance see a nail and they belt with a hammer, in Ireland we see a nail and we come up with 16 excuses how we can't get our use a hammer.

    It's why we are resigned in large to mediocrity. We only see problems, because we love to complain about them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    All the one arguing, the people of puckane rightfully got their way to decide the future of their village and we will see it happen many more times across the country in coming months.



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