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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,973 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Joseph Rogan of Joe Rogan fame finally gets around to apologizing for spreading the patently fake news that schools were installing litter boxes into school bathrooms to accommodate furries.

    Apparently he repeated this as early as 3 weeks ago.

    His explanation for how he got into repeating this nonsense is telling and goes to show how little critical thinking happens between a piece of rumor or information coming across Joe Rogan and him gobbling it up like a piece of bacon-wrapped fried chicken without asking any further questions about how it was cooked or what's in it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,973 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    @TomTomTim Re: GA Gubernatorial election,

    Could you imagine what we would still be talking about if any state had wiped their whole digital record of the 2020 election right after Trump filed one of his 60 lawsuits at it?

    The Kennesaw election center answers to Georgia’s secretary of state, Brian Kemp, a Republican who is running for governor in 2018 and is the main defendant in the suit. A spokeswoman for the secretary of state’s office said Wednesday that “we did not have anything to do with this decision,” adding that the office also had no advance warning of the move.

    Kemp was the Secretary of State before Brad Raffensberger, of Trump Perfect Phone Call II fame. Running for Governor of the State, Kemp was also the state officer in charge of the election - and all the election machines and systems. She didn't just call the election results into question on a predisposed whim.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Most of the Irish 'right' (not the blueshirts but the losers , chancers and freaks) seem to be total britlickers. Makes sense as racism is alien to the Irish soul and is an import from England.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    The worse the better for the yanks so far as I am concerned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    A nice thought and while I would say Irish people generally have a good record when it comes to race relations I dont think any people are intrinsically more immune to bigotry and prejudice or even a sense of self preservation of their "tribe" than any other people. Also problem in that many on this thread would argue that Irish people even exist beyond a passport designation. 🤣



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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Overheal has already laid it out for you just how wrong you are on this but let me just respond as well in case you take me not doing so as some sign that I think you are right.

    You absolutely, categorically are not. What you are attempting to do is to equate valid concerns with actual illegality and not that you yourself have any great influence (no more or less than any of the rest of us) but to allow this narrative to be put out there is not only false, it is dangerous when it happens on a wider scale.

    The Trump administration ultimately had over 200 indictments served on people associated with it, many for conduct around the 2016 election with respect to engaging with people and other nation states. Not just indictments, but prosecutions, convictions, and sentences (and pardons as well as we all are fully aware).

    There are ongoing investigations in to the actions of Trump (and other Republicans) in trying to force people to behave in a certain way following the 2020 election. Several sitting Republican representatives were involved in steps to attempt to circumvent the counting of electoral votes.

    The wife of a sitting Justice of the Supreme Court was heavily involved in steps attempting to have the result of the election overturned.

    Over 60 cases were brought to various courts attempting to influence the outcome of the election and every one of them, every, single, one, was rejected. Several right wing media platforms are being effectively sued for implying that the equipment used in the counting of votes was being manipulated to change the outcome of the counting process.

    And of course we all watched love in HD the happenings of January 6th, 2021. Jesus Chr*st, Trump himself and his close confidants announced before the election that they wouldn't accept the result.

    As already pointed out previously, the former White House Advisor (and future prison inmate) Steve Bannon even instructed Bolsonaro to deny he had lost the election that Bolsonaro himself accepted he lost.

    And absolutely Democrats have cried foul before, in 2018, Kemp oversaw the scrubbing of several hundred thousand people from voter roles in Georgia and then had his office oversee the investigation in to what happened and refused to recuse himself from being involved, despite being one of the 2 candidates in the race that it was done before. Kemp won that election by just 54K votes so given what had happened, Stacey was entirely justified in claiming she had been robbed, and in bringing cases to court also, (as Trump was) but she, or none of her supporters resorted to violence or acts like we have seen Republicans do where they have hounded on county and state election officials who they feel didn't do enough to make sure the 'right outcome' was achieved.

    Even when George Bush won the election over Al Gore after the Supreme Court stepped in to halt the counting of ballots and refusing to allow a recount, Al Gore conceded and faded in to the background. But the reaction is so incomparable, it bears no relation to what we have seen Conservatives do.

    And the same goes when it comes to responding to violent acts, the lack of contrition for what Paul or Nancy Pelosi suffered, the juvenile jokes about it by people running for very high office, the attempts to twist and deflect and spread patently false rumours are all acts of throwing fuel on the fire that is US politics right now.

    And with respect to crying foul about elections it's all part of a plan and Republicans know all this, at least the smart ones do, and they know that there is a strategy to their action which is as much focused on the future as it is on the past even though that is what they keep referring to. They have muddied the water enough that they could try to do anything in next weeks election and when fingers are pointed at them, they'll scream that people told Trump to accept the outcome of the election and Democrats should do the same now. They know that less and less people see themselves aligned with the direction of the party, they haven't won a popular vote in god knows how long, and as people continue to become educated and recognize that the world they are living in is less and less like the world the Republicans say it is, they have to rile people up in order to make them feel threatened from immigrants, or socialists or Greta or whatever other bogey man suits their cause

    I'll repeat a point I've made here several times but I know some people have goldfish like memories, not all Democrats are angels on earth, they don't have all the answers or are totally devoid of being influenced by corporations and influences but at least as a party, they're trying to do things for the better of society rather than attempting to let it burn if it means they can be the kings of the ashes as a certain GoT character once said.

    TLDR : Fcuk off with the both sidesing attempts. All the evidence, from the mouths of the key players involved tells us that both parties are not equal in this respect. Didn't the right wing have a catchphrase for a while that 'you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts'. They should consider it wisely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,973 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    A donut shop hosted a drag show. Now its been firebombed. There's footage and apparently not the first act of vandalism in the story:

    Last night we had the privilege of being able to be a part of the vision of The Queens Dirty Dozen; An art installation donut shop ran by drag queens.


    The event was an enormous success with over 500 guests attending, and an overwhelming reaction of laughing, jokes, fun and good times were had by all.


    Unfortunately, there was also a reaction of hate and we were the victim of somebodies malicious acts. But in ones attempt to rain on our parade, the community answered by showing overwhelming support.


    From the GoFundMe that was started by Queens Dirty Dozen, goals were surpassed in less than one hour. Repairs will be made and all extra proceeds will be given to the Tulsa Equality Center to help spread acceptance, tolerance and love.


    These malicious acts have resulted in thousands of dollars going towards the cause this entire event was meant to support. Love wins.

    We’d like to clear up some confusion. The Queens Dirty Dozens was an event held at our business. It was a one-time art show centered around donut sculptures that the artist wanted to hold in an actual donut shop for the full immersion. We were the venue. We still are just a regular donut shop, a locally owned and operated small business. You can meet the owner any day you visit, as many of you know and have.

    Early this morning we caught this person on video smashing our window again, and this time tossing in a Molotov cocktail. At this point this isn’t only effecting our small business, but every other locally owned and operated small business connected to us - all of which also have the actual business owners in house daily, and had absolutely nothing to do with the event.

    We are lucky the damage was minimal and none of our other business owner friends connected to us were effected. Our hearts are broken that they could have also been hurt. Our hearts are broken that someone could even be this hateful to our friends who attended the show to do something like this.

    Thank you to each and every one of you who have supported us and reached out. You are all loved and appreciated

    https://www.facebook.com/donutholeonbrookside



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    And what makes you think failed property developer (debts 30 million and millions owed in VAT) and restaurant chain and football team investor is a 'leftie' exactly?


    You actually buy that? Come on.


    This is all about being a rabble rouser and dipping into an easy protest vote. His statements on China regarding Taiwan , a subject he should have no interest in and knows absolutely nothing about, makes me deeply suspicious that he is trousering some red notes somewhere. Wallace abd Daly are the two most famous Irish people in China as they get heavy airplay there . Useful fuckin tools of authoritarian regimes. Enjoying the fruits of our democracy and freedoms while advocating penal law for others. Makes me sick as an Irishman.

    It's embarrassing to me when I hear otherwise intelligent people say they represent healthy 'choice' or I suspect they voted for them but won't admit it to me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The key thing here isn't so much what the elected official says in and of itself, it's what the elected official says and what Hannity is saying to his watchers.

    Hannity of course isn't just a tv personality, he is also close friend and strategist of former President Donald Trump and previously one of only 3 people (including Trump) who shared Michael Cohen as their personal lawyer.

    When Hannity talks about Main Stream Media influencing society, do you think he's talking about his platform on the most watched cable news network in the US and his access to and influence of the actual sitting President or does he think that that's the same as when Bernie Sanders or AOC get referenced in the NY Times or wherever.

    But still people at Trump rallies and beyond sing the chants and wear the shirts complaining about 'MSM and Fake News' all while pointing their fingers at others calling them sheeple.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Gofundme you say. Pays for renovations hmmm. Better not put it on the old insurance.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Oh they could be as bent as a fiddler's elbow politically and Wallace is tried and convicted bent to boot. My point is I prefer that a democracy has different, even wildly different opinions to the main, though I'd obviously prefer it wasn't that pair. And no, no way would I vote for either of them. Not a hope in hell.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,034 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    this is why boards needs to get rid of the selective quote posting thing.

    what i said:

    overheal, i should have learned my lesson with you before 😅

    stick to the facts and never use hyperbole.


    twas talking about my own hyperbole



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,888 ✭✭✭✭Rothko




  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    From the French Parliament today.

    Does anyone of a right leaning persuasion want to 'game theory' the next 5-10 years for me and how they think that this type of influence might play out?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,396 ✭✭✭✭Geuze



    Be careful. The MP Bilongo was discussing the possible destination of a group of asylum-seekers, and the shout was "send them back to Africa".

    The shout may have referred to the subject of the conversation, not to MP Bilongo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,973 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ah yeah great, nonsense

    When I hear conservatives pretend to be the champions of religious freedom I just think about the thread we had on Boards about the Ground Zero Mosque, and I laugh and I laugh...



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,973 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Dan Crenshaw, MAGA/R, opens up admitting that most people in the GOP know the Big Lie is a Big Lie and that it's meant to rile people up.

    It was always a lie. The whole thing was always a lie. And it was a lie meant to rile people up"


    “This extreme willingness to say the most extreme things just to grab people’s attention and then the people’s willingness to believe some of it,” Crenshaw said on the podcast. “There just doesn’t seem to be a limit to how far some people are willing to go.”



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Who was arrested for that ? Seems like homeless rough sleeping.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,973 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Aye for different anti-woke reasons hey.

    It reminds me more than a decade ago there was a push to make headshops/cannabis shops mainstreams and all the shops that was happening in got arson'd so the city/county quickly reversed course. Ireland somewhere IIRC there was a thread about it in the day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Mad isn't it how usual suspects jump in to defend and deny

    Post edited by Annasopra on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    The same can be said about you. Both extremes sides and their views are pretty pathetic. Was there some far right group announcement taking responsibility for "firebombing" you can kindly point me to?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Oh I wager a few know why that particular TD was targeted. And probably by whom too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,815 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Where does it say that this was an arson attack?

    Where does it say someone with far right views was involved?

    I don't see that in the article so can you link to these facts.

    I have seen you ask people to back up statements so I am sure you are not being a hypocrite and doing what you accuse others of.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Thankfully, recent political news has indicated some progress in the right direction.

    Bolsonaro beaten, Trump's ideology taking a hammering the states right now, Putin having to withdraw from the only city Russia captured since the invasion. Sunak already being shown to have only used the words about integrity in order to gain positive headlines.

    No suggestion that there still aren't things to be concerned about, Starmer denigrating young people worried about the damage being done to the planet being one such thing but I'm going to take the positives when they appear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    True but a democrat did bang on about the old nazis. Never invoke the nazis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,973 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Saying the quiet parts out loud again, #NoFilter when they are upset IG




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭lmao10


    I think anyone with a moderate intellect would be able to make an inference as to the culprits. Trying to convince people of a moderate intellect and above that those culprits are not the actual culprits would make you look like you have low intelligence.

    Just giving you an outside perspective. A lack of understanding as to how you come across is quite common.



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  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There was no insurrection on January 6th. There was poor security around the Capitol that allowed a bunch of unarmed overweight middle aged MAGA supporters in where they shouldn't have been. Can't believe how people have fallen for this rubbish. It's just as much rubbish as the pedo ring conspiracy under the pizza shop near the White House - except this is an acceptable conspiracy to believe. Just as "Russia lost Hilary the 2016 election" is an acceptable conspiracy.

    And there were a few nutjobs with guns somewhere, but these weren't linked to the MAGA protestors. Just as a pedo in the Democrat party doesn't mean there actually is a pedo dungeon under that pizza shop.

    What the men and women of 1916 did, that was an insurrection.

    Embarrassing

    The midterms have shown the average Republican wants nothing to do with Trump anymore. DeSantis will be president in 2024.



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