Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

No it's not and no he won't be.

Just more fantasy masturbation material from the anti EU crowd.

What? Have you been living under a rock since 2019? The UK were supposed to produce a customs IT system capable of serving real-time data to the EU ages ago; the NIP was agreed on the basis that such a system would be available to implement it. EU is blue in the face complaining that a functional system has yet to be delivered. The notion that this system being finally delivered will represent some kind of weakening on the part of the EU is just . . . bizarre.

It was agreed by the EU. It was also agreed by the UK but then they read what they had worked on designing and agreeing to. The UK gov have been moaning and groaning about it for the last couple of years doing a large amount of damage to their economy and not really achieving much else.

The EU can either be strict about the protocol which would damage the EU and the UK or they can be more pragmatic. As long as there is not much impact to the EU why not?

As an example, when the UK government woke up and realised that the protocol would be an issue to medicines in Northern Ireland, the EU changed the law so it wouldn't be an issue. Obviously, the UK gov took that as a huge win rather than appreciating it. The grown ups saw the problem and fixed it (albeit slowly) while the kids jumped up and down claiming it as a win. It was an issue that should have been picked up before the withdrawal date, but Boris wasn't really a "details" kind of guy and I doubt the people he appointed were either.

As to "they will dump crap". I'm not sure why that wouldn't be picked up on. I'm not a customs expert though so I don't know why if the UK provide the data requested and checks are reduced that means the UK can freely dump what it wants into the EU. Can you elaborate?

The EU agreed to the NIP. The NIP provides for a process whereby changes to its implementation can be discussed and agreed. If this "doesn't sound very agreed" to you, that's only because you haven't read the NIP.

If market surveillance detects the integrity of the single market being compromised, the EU - as you point out - can ramp up checks. Yes, the UK can moan and whine about intransigence, but so what? They do that already, for all the good it does them. Plus, in this scenario, the EU will be able to point to the evidence of harm, based on the UK's own customs data, to show that they're not being intransigent; they are just responding to problems that are known to exist. The UK's moaning and whinging will have all the credibility of a Boris Johnson denial that he ever threw lockdown parties in Downing St.

What a load of nonsense. He basically wants everything to suit him. All the "benefits" of Brexit but gets to keep his cheap labour.

Which always begs the question - what kind of Brexit did he want and want kind of Brexit did the people who voted for it want, since not "a sketch of a plan" was outlined?

Where can i find out how the extra £350 million per week that the Brits aren’t sending to Brussels is being spent in the NHS every week since 2016?

I think they also assumed that Brexit would accompany measures to force the 'Lazy' young british people to get off the dole and get a job for less than a living wage

These people have a really skewed view of what its like to be a young person emerging into the labour force in 2022

Problem, is that they weren't as lazy as they thought, and there are very few people who are actually available for work, who aren't already in a job

About 1% long term unemployment rate.