BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

Rather out of character though. I think more likley he was leaned on.

What a farce from Johnson. He makes the trip home, gets enough MP's to support him and, like in 2016, takes the cowardly way out and slinks off. Leaving his supporters, and of course since he believes he is a great leader, the entire country lost.

You would think that even from his own supporters that would be the last straw, but Jonson seems to be able to get people to continually believe in him despite all prior evidence.

That's been the problem in the Tories since the Brexit result. Any Tory politician with an ounce of political nous (starting with Cameron) immediately recognised the dumpster fire that had been landed on the country, and that PM was absolutely a poisoned chalice. The only ones willing to step forward were the ones that had no chance of ever becoming PM otherwise, because they were entirely unsuitable. If Sunak had any real business being PM, he would have been sitting back waiting for the farce to play out. He's 42, he could easily have led the party 5+ years from now and been in a much more successful place. But he knows he had zero chance in a real leadership battle - he was beaten by Liz Truss for goodness sake.

Any politician with real ambitions of being a successful PM headed for the backbenches and are waiting for a spell in opposition to start their leadership bid. That way, Labour will have had a spell managing what is still a dumpster fire (with no way to extinguish it), while they can hurl from the ditch and attempt to build the "New Tories"

Pretty astonishing they are now predicting a 2 year recession in the UK and unemployment to rise up near 6%. The damage Truss did in her short time is office was like economic suicide. Bank of England are saying they were just hours away from a run of the markets that they wouldnt have been able to prevent, thats how close it was. Truss' mini budget has put the taxpayer in the hock for billions but of course the Tory mouthpieces are blaming it all on global events, do they ever stop lying.

Worth comparing Johnson's 42% in 2019 with Jeremy Corbyn's 40% in 2017.

So, Johnson the uniquely beloved miracle vote-getter? Nah, that's balls. Always was.

Johnson did well - not amazingly well, but well - in an election in his new PM honeymoon period with a simple appealing slogan facing an unpopular opponent and an electorate that had no experience of what he would actually be like as PM. That combination of circumstances can never recur for him.

So we are right back to where Cameron was. The last 6 or so years, which was essentially an attempt to protect the conservative party from loss of support to UKIP, have been a complete waste of time, money and effort.

Now the whole country is worse off because the Tory party wanted the country to pay for their own internal argument.

UKIP, Farage really, bottled it at the last election. He had likely support but dropped out to allow the Tories a free hand and since then they have done nothing but complain about it.

Ironically all down to FPtP which many on the UK rightwing refuse to believe is undemocratic

Yes, it's the same tactics used by UKIP, which also won basically no seats but succeeded in doing a management buy-out of the Tory party.

But of course this means that the Tories have been here before. They know where accepting the hard right management buyout offer gets them; it gets them to here — five PMs in six years, and 21% in the polls. Madness to imagine that yielding to Reform pressure will work out any better for them than yielding to UKIP pressure did. To rebuild, they need to appear credible to middle-ground voters. There was a time when that was compatible with being an enthusiast for hard Brexit. That time is gone.