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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,445 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    This. No free lunch for the GQP. They actively supported lunatics who, via the FUD they constantly spewed, caused deaths due to Covid that could readily have been prevented via a vaccine. It's a party with rapturite murderers at the helm. Why else the strong support by the likes of Pompeo for moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, a completely unnecessary thing? To accelerate the end times.

    That segment of the GQP needs to go and hopefully keep the GQP out of positions of influence for a decade or so. TFG vs. DeAthsentence will hopefully be a WWE-class throwdown lasting for months. And, should the GQP nominate someone else, hopefully TFG start up his own Conservative/National Socialist/Whatever party and draw more votes away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,329 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    For the GOP, managing Trump for the next couple of years will be like dealing with this guy

    similar hair too...



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I don't know much about his politics prior to the rise of GQP

    During his time in Congress he was one of the founder members of the "Freedom Caucus" along with joyful people like Jim Jordan so I wouldn't be hoping for him to behave any differently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    As soon as I saw the word "Freedom" that's all I needed to know. "Freedom" means my way/blonde, blue-eyed, gun-totin', 'murican Jesus way.

    OK. Yep.

    Post edited by TheIrishGrover on


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I dont think he has a choice. He knows the DOJ will be indicting him so he'll want to declare his presidential run before that happens so he can use the indictment as a "political witch hunt" tool. In any case the GOP is totally screwed. They'll never get rid of him and his poison.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The GOP will go with what works.

    Clearly Donald Trump is proving more toxic with each month that passes, the midterm elections have shown that.

    His days are numbered. Will he disrupt and cause mayhem along the way? Absolutely.

    But there are no possible prospects of Trump winning in 2024. The GOP must know this, and must act accordingly.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    100% - Trump doesn't care about anything other than himself and in his mind running for 2024 gives him some kind of protection from all the legal issues.

    It absolutely doesn't , but he is convinced that it does so he will run and he will try to burn down anyone or anything that tries to stop him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,698 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The big question for the GOP is whether their base is losing interest in Trump or if Trump and his associates is bringing out the Democrat vote more than any other. If it's the latter, the party can break from Trump, but cutting that limb off would cause intolerable bleeding.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That's the big question - Is this like in the immediate aftermath of January 6th where they spoke against him ,but changed the tune a few days later when they realised the base was sticking with him ?

    This does feel different though especially as it seems they have a credible alternative available (for them) in DeSantis, but think we'll have to wait a few weeks to see if it sticks or if they come crawling back to him because he still holds the base.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,698 ✭✭✭✭briany


    According to polls I've seen, DeSantis stonks Trump in a Florida primary, but that story isn't replicated nationwide. Trump's popularity does appear to be down with the overall Republican base, but he still leads the pack, overall. I agree that the DeSantis is the most credible alternative, but the question is how you convince the MAGA hats to switch allegiance? MAGA is a vengeful, nihilistic political philosophy that is all about disruption, chaos and confrontation. How does a more normal politician like DeSantis appeal to that cohort who just want to see the world burn?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Yeah. I have said this many times previously. The GOP had perfect outs immediately after Jan 6 domestic terrorism/insurrection action (Let's be honest here). But they didn't take it and I cannot understand why.

    The GOP had the opportunity to denounce trump and his cronies in the party and his ... fans. They absolutely would have lost all his fanbase and it would have serious impact on the party in the midterms. But even in 2020 everyone knew the global markets were dropping. That we were heading for a period of stagnation globally. At best! I couldn't understand why they didn't look at the big picture. Not 2022 but at 2024 or maybe 2026/2028. They would have been wiped out in the 2022 midterms. We all know that the global economy is going to suck for the next couple of years at least. Let's just say 2 years. NOW the newly invigorated GOP of 2024 comes to the rescue. The global economy beginning to turn. Devoid of trump, his cronies and ... fans (Not slagged off or frowned upon. Simply never mentioned again). Here you had the opportunity to say "Look what the Dems did in 2020-2024. We're back, baby!". Basically come riding in on a big white horse. With their "new" image and new younger leader. Back to core GOP values. The crazies back in their box.

    Yes, they would have lost 2022. But they would still have had enough to stir sh*t. It doesn't matter how much Biden got done or not between 2020-2024, if the GOP came back with a vibrant new candidate, just as the economy is turning then they could romp home as saviours.

    TLDR: They should have taken the hit immediately after 2020 as the world economy was going to crap and been in a position to fingerpoint at the global economy between 2020 and 2024 and say "Look? Nothing to do with us". That thread on YLYL/political is basically just them doing that anyway... (Their mantra is "He specifically ruined the economy while eating ice-cream and..... the irony..... is inappropriate with children" .... REAL classy and not the least bit ironic)



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,573 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Can the GOP simply stop Trump from running as a Republican? I don't know the full rules etc behind the primaries etc, but surely if the GOP got enough of their states to back Desantis instead, Trump might not have enough votes to be the candidate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Is the nomination process that open to manipulation? I do think they'll at least reverse their decision to not hold debates in the primaries now



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,411 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Only by getting party members to vote for somebody else. With the number of different ways delegates are selected by states (open primaries, closed primaries, caucuses) this would be difficult.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They could pull a "Clinton style" stroke and play silly buggers at the Convention to ensure that they had "super electors" that would vote for DeSantis.

    But to be honest , if it got that far they are f*cked anyway.

    The corner they have painted themselves into gives them only a few pathways

    1 :- They stick with Trump and he runs in 2024 and loses (again)

    2:- They cut him loose now and hope that he's a busted flush with the base before the primaries in 18 months time and this succeeds and Trump doesn't run.

    3:- Option 2 fails and he runs in the Primaries anyway and either wins the primary or just sh!ts all over the field and convinces his base to not vote in the main election, screwing them over.

    4:- He gets convicted at Federal level and is barred from holding office - They get to play the victim card with his base and hold out the carrot of a pardon to keep him quiet in 2024

    Option 4 is their preferred option as it has the "Democrats" doing their dirty work for them and is probably their only realistic pathway to a happy ending of sorts.

    Outside of him being convicted and barred from holding office , they really don't have much of a pathway out here.

    If Trump goes down any other way , he takes them with him.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 20,653 CMod ✭✭✭✭amdublin



    For the first time ever I woke up this morning not hoping that Trump would Just Go Away Would You.

    I hope he does run for re-election. I hope he loses the primaries against Anyone. But for arguments sake let's say it is Ron DeSantis.

    Okay so Ron is now the GOP candidate for pres.

    All those ultra magas who never noted in their life before Trump and who are now "Trump til I die"ers (I see them on twitter!!! They are loony) don't ever vote again and the GOP loses that base/their votes.

    Hence dems win the prez in 2024.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    If Trump doesn't run, or gets beaten in the primaries, his base will simply move onto DeSantis (or whomever) because the line will be that it must be anyone but Biden (or whatever Dem).

    It is the exact reason Trump won in 2016, because they successfully make HC out to be so evil that almost anybody would be better.

    One thing the 'right' tends to be better at in politics is being able to go with the best option, even if it is their preferred option.

    They will b1tch and moan, then simply move on. Trump thinks, and has persuaded large parts of the GOP, that he alone controls the base, but in reality I think the base will follow anyone who says the same message. DeSantis will simply repeat all the same nonsense that Trump does and that will get the base on board.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,411 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    and probably the house and the senate as well.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 20,653 CMod ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    I used to think that...

    But the more I see I think there is a large base who are not "Never Dems", they are instead "Only Trumpers"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 20,653 CMod ✭✭✭✭amdublin




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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,375 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    In which Mr Donald "Hamberder covfefe" Trump accuses someone else of not being able to string two sentences together....

    Whilst of course not missing an opportunity to spew more lies about election interference, a crime he apparently confessed to earlier.

    What an utter piece of sh1t.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,411 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Fetterman has the excuse of having a stroke back in May. I wonder what Trump's excuse is.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I made the mistake of looking at his posts on Truth Social.. Holy sh!t , he is just mental.

    Aside from multiple re-posts of QANON guff , some of his own posts are just wild.

    Having a go off Glenn Youngkin for some reason by trying a bit of racism on for size.

    Then he reposts stuff like this




  • Registered Users Posts: 21,559 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Let's hope Lyndsey Graham was correct.

    'If we nominate Donald Trump, we will get destroyed. And we will deserve it.'



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,378 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Pretty near there.

    If every incumbent democrat holds their senate seat it will be unheard of.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,702 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    His tweets used to be amusing but he seems to have completely gone off the deep end.

    Its Narcissism on steroids.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,647 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Trump saying theres a 'big announcement' coming on Tuesday. I'm actually rooting for him to run now, I want to watch a two year long Republican party car crash, its gonna be epic



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,375 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Was it your good self that emphatically called Liz Cheney a RINO?

    Given how you've gone off trump recently, wouldn't that make you a RINO?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,702 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Trump was a lifelong Democrat before he switched so if anything he is a RINO.



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