The big CO2 emitters, who are they?

I heard a piece on the radio during the week which stated the top co2 emitters in Ireland. Dublin airport was top. I forget what was second and I think Dublin traffic was third. There were a few concrete plants in there too.

I can’t for the life of me find that info online. Anybody remember hearing it too?

Good on ya, thanks

Another piece from George here

Not a mention of a cow anywhere. It's all oil and gas, who, unbelievably, are under reporting

I was joking...

I have an outlaw who is always plane hopping all over the place, and who of course is vegan. Just want to have to ammo for again, especially when it’s reported by rte cause any other media outlet is only conspiracy stuff to her

There's a lot of 'em choking over their Coco Shreddies this morning.

I know every sector needs to be doing their bit to combat emissions but it’s always good to get some perspective. This is information I pulled from that new tool that was launched at COP27. It compares all Irish ag emissions to just one single oil field in Texas. We’re producing less than one tenth of the emissions of that one oil field. Then consider that most ag emissions are part of a circular system and that they now say they have been overstating the effect of methane from cattle, you really get the feeling that we’re getting beaten down for no good reason.

climate change is a global phenomenon, the human portion will only be affected when the largest global issues are addressed. Being disproportionately hard on the small producers is pointless.

Apparently 800 private jets went to Egypt to tell us to take our bike to work.

Majority of people don't care about climate change, the only remedial action we'll eventually take will be the action forced on us by expensive energy

Ah co2, just looking at the Lidl catalogue, all plastic oil based junk for Xmas ... and a picture of some guy excited looking about some chemical cleaner he can use to clean his jacks..

They will probably be selling "green" stuff in January.

It's all a big stupid joke..

Most people think climate change = I can buy a battery based SUV.

We is fooked.

They drop /raise price accordingly to ensure flight is full and profit maximised in a very sophisticated way.

It's not aviation, it's coal fired power stations which are the problem.

Humanity needs to get away from coal, not from flying airplanes or driving cars.

There’s no “only thing” that will help.

society needs to implement a host of actions but the thing is the science has become so owned by vested interests there is so much contradictory information we’re loosing our way.

what’s happening now is the loudest shouter is getting their way not the best science.

I imagine the solution will include better farming no doubt, with a focus on soil life and health. Increased forestry and biodiversity. Fossil fuel extraction must surely reduce at a sustainable pace as renewable increases, not as fast as the extremists want because we can’t kill society to save it, that won’t be accepted by the majority

Non essential plastic products are a big problem, just useless tat produced cheap one side of the globe to be shipped to the other side as a novelty gift that holds interest for 5 minutes and then we move on to discard it, tWhen you think about that and the resultant pollution it’s madness

One thing I hear from the shouters is that future generations won’t forgive us for our inaction. I think if anything they will laugh at us for letting science be owned by interest groups and lobbyists rather than having a strong independent science where the science leads and not the money.

Another one to think about.

Last Fri, Tom asked one of the participants in "Another Slice" about her PhD subject - she replied she was researching a saliva substitute for dry mouth caused by veganism.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3942222/

I won't be too worried about what the future generations think, we can't even get people to stop pegging rubbish out the car windows.

The age group that should be most worried showed their concern by the way they left the electric picnic site, most of the population won't be buying into any climate change mitigations

pedalling the notion that methane from cattle is a big problem is a bigger problem than the methane because other idiots believe it and society is distracted from the actual issues.

we have similar numbers of ruminating animals on the planet consistently, they seem to have become a problem at the same time vegans began their silly notions, funny coincidence

Methane from cows in Ireland is to methane from rice paddies in china.

Yet there's not one environmentalist worldwide calling for a cut in rice production.

Why?

It's the simple reason that one involves animals being directly farmed and killed and the other is animals and organisms being indirectly killed in rice production. But it sounds fluffy as plant production. Pure hypocritical BS.

I've only taken a cursery look on google at the CH4 emissions and these are probably not accurate. One cow is said to emit 99kgs a year but in grass eating it's the lowest and the 99 is probably a US figure eating silage.

One hectare of rice paddy is said to emit 140 kgs CH4 per hectare. And overall it's said to account for 13% of CH4 emissions worldwide.

Bogland like rice paddies with soil in anaerobic conditions is a big emitter of methane to the atmosphere. But because bogs are also classed as sequestering carbon as well they get a pass. Well they don't all get a pass by environmentalists or the accounting system in Ireland. New bogland or rewetted ground will have methane emissions counted in the inventory but existing bogland with associated methane emissions will be off the methane ledger.

Now you can't eat peat nor under new regulations you can't sell it either. It falls down on that front. Now you can eat beef and dairy and you can sell it and contribute to the economy and keep boots on the ground and suits in the offices. But with peat the sequestration is counted and the environmentalists will fight tooth and nail that it's a circular system of emissions and sequestration. Farmers are being shouted down when they try and argue the same is true of meat and dairy. Our peat (soil) is barely given a cursury look in sequestration.

I'll bring it back to rice production. There's zero sequestration in paddy soil only methane emissions and yet the plant foody environmentalists say carry on nothing to see here.

A good author and professor and learned regenertarian in agriculture Dr. David Montgomery links the start of CO2 increases in the atmosphere with the advent of the plough in agriculture especially so the steel mouldboard. This was before fossil fuel use started being burned. Not surprising when soils that can hold 11% organic matter being driven down to 2% by tillage. Ye can work out what means yourselves in quantity of carbon emitted per hectare, overall.

Message.. targeting livestock is too simplistic and does nothing for the environment, has a detrimental effect on soil life, carbon content in soil and will lead to more health problems in people which we now know meat fat is actually beneficial. But obviously not overdone.

Cui Bono.

I know all about it.

Every argument they make is just to undermine animal farming. First it was animal products from Ireland were displacing poor farmers in Africa and driving them off the land. Then it changed tack before the Ukraine war and selling food to poor African countries became a virtue. Influenced no doubt by their masters in the Kremlin using the grain trade as an excuse to appear virtuous and a necessity in people being fed.

Now meat and dairy in Ireland is being attacked with it's a luxurious item of food being sold to premium markets. Go back to when the argument was about displacing african farmers and the attack was it's a commodity and we should be selling to premium markets. Changed pre war. Only thing in common is the need to attack livestock farmers in Ireland with one excuse today and the opposite tomorrow. Only commonality is to keep the pressure on.

Hypocritical pr1cks.

The whole thing is gone completely mad. I was listening to John Gibbons was on Matt Cooper yesterday talking about the world population exceeding 8 billion and that it will be past 9 billion in a few short years. Then proceeded to talk about the biggest issue facing humanity was trying to feed all these extra mouths. Every other week he's on saying cut cow numbers! 😡

You're spot on. One of the big issues facing us as a species is over consumption and waste. The food waste that goes on is criminal. And the fact that there are now more obese people in the world than malnourished should highlight an over consumption of process foods that are high energy and of low nutrient value.

Instead of attacking Irish farmers our government should be running campaigns to limit food waste and to eat local produce, be that meat, dairy, fruit or veg. What's far worse than cows farting is shipping food all over the world using fossil fuels just so Mary down the road can have avocado toast or vegan sausages. We should be encouraging people to go back to simple ways of eating. Think of the tradional roast dinner. No longer very trendy. But everything on the plate is a whole food, and capable of being grown locally. Meat from local cattle, potatoes from local fields, other locally grown root veg such as carrots and parsnips. Simple and boring as it may be it is an environmentally sound meal.

And don't get me started on cheap plastic sh1t. That will kill us all eventually. We're screwed in this world where it is cheaper to buy new goods than fix old ones. Planned obsolence, items designed to be irreparable. All in the name of more sales and perpetual revenue growth for big corporations. It's greed that'll end us eventually, not cow's farts.

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