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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Carful now you will have them gluing themselves to the cycle paths. 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    At least they'd be off the motorway gantries if they did.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    a little background reading from a philosophical point of view about whether one could call climatology a science. Since many physicists tend to dismiss it as a politically faux science that no real physicist should take serious this article highlights the many issues involved in it. I think philosophers have no skin in the game generally and are well able to look at this from a more sensible bird's eye perspective. I hope this will provide some insights that the uninitiated often lack..



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If only the oil lobby wasn't so powerful in the US, we might see more action from them, still, strong statement from Biden

    RTE news : 'Life of the planet' at stake - Biden tells COP27





  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I must say, I for one, am shocked to my core that oil companies are doing bad sh1te

    BBC News - Air pollution: Uncovering the dirty secret behind BP’s bumper profits




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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    The planet does not have a life. Does he mean habitable and our way of life currently ? Planet could freeze on it's own and nothing we can to about it at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,564 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    If we get 3 years of declining temperatures worldwide what will the proposed solutions be?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    "78.6 per cent of the kilometres travelled by car occur outside Dublin where convenient public transport, walking and cycling alternatives don't exist and won't exist before 2030."


    Hard to see any real alternatives except creating the critical mass needed in cities to build the public transport required to drop the cult of private car/suv ownership



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭j2


    A roasting apocalypse sounds a lot better than having to hear people crying about emissions all the time. I'm all for it. Driving a v8 10 minutes down the road to the shops and picking up some steaks is a wonderful thing! You shan't remove this from me without a dreadful scrap 😄



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Every green tech hits a reality wall at some point. That reality wall was already truelly hit 10 years ago after a prolonged period of evolving green tech in the hope that innovation would lead to the desired outcome through the investment of billions of dollars/euro. Instead of seeing the limitations of green tech (especially solar and wind) that reality presented and act accordingly (like promoting nuclear tech) it set up a heavily subsidised industry w politicians deciding to double down on solar and wind tech and claiming it was the true path to glory with another lossy tech ( hydrogen) as back up. Anybody with a calculator can spot the anomalies in this system. Many have done so but gained little traction. It is as if the Green Agenda people are determined to overlook anything inherently wrong in their system and instead put the blame solely on governments and the fossil fuel industry. You see, if you think you are the chosen few and Armageddon is around the corner you will simply spend zero energy on yr own shortcomings. Listening to Greta Thunberg it appears she seems to think the power lies in the hands of the fossil fuel industry and that she is part of a small vanguard that pushes back on the Monster, not having a clue that she is part of the elite setting the rules without knowing anything about the way the energy industry works.That elite is the UN on top with the EU and government leaders followed by the mainstream and social media, Hollywood and the music industry, making it wide spread. They are manufacturing consent (read Chomsky's book on this). It means that they set the parameters in which a discussion can take place and decide what is a reasonable argument. Anything outside of that is the luny fringe and should be elliminated by force, by law. Ordinary people think that this is the way one should go about things. Until the error shows up by hitting the reality wall. Now more and more people start to realise they have been conned and raise their voice which the powers that be then use as an example that Democracy is in peril as the recent US mid term elections have shown and the reaction to alternative political movements in the EU. No self reflection at all. Like screaming teenagers with an anxiety complex. Sad..

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    The scary thing is with your outlook you could be a troll or a very very credible Green Party member with bright future within that party!



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Interesting theory, but how do you intend to move all those people from their, to use your term "mcmansions" to similar priced houses in Tallaght, which lets face it is pretty much a sh1t hole ?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There are a lot of problems with the French nuclear industry and it looks like the decline of it is going to continue but may be slowed if the French government keeps pumping billions of taxpayers money into it




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's now clear why the Land Use, Land-Use Change and Forestry (LULUCF) sector was excluded from the sectoral emission limits that were released a while back. This sector now has to transition from a strategy where it is used to compensate emissions from land use and forestry with at least an equivalent amount of carbon removal. Under the new law, from 2026 removals of CO2 need to exceed emissions.

    This should see us rapidly increase the amount of forestry coverage along with rewetting programmes for bogs etc

    RTE news : EU agrees law to remove CO2 using woodlands





  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Totally normal, some will say, the data says otherwise

    RTE news : Warmest November night recorded at Shannon Airport





  • Registered Users Posts: 23,710 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Records are broken all the time. You won't mention cold temperature records, of course




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Appreciate your input showing the extremes becoming more extreme on a more frequent basis

    Thanks for that



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,710 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Whatever. Same old stuff from you lot. If it's not Global 'warming' it's 'Climate breakdown'...



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Lol. Another link where you went with the headline rather than listen to what it said.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Which part?

    The part where it details how many reactors are currently not working?

    Or the part which shows the Flamville debacle that's 12 years late and 16 billions over budget?

    Or the part where the French nuclear industry is struggling to compete against the renewable energy industry?

    Or the part where they planned to build 80 reactors by 1980 and 170 by 2000 but didn't get anywhere near either number, building only 58, because it just wasn't viable?

    Or the part where costs have escalated out of control putting the entire industry under threat because it makes zero sense, economically speaking, to build more reactors?

    Or the part where the liberalisation of the EU energy market meant the French govt had to be given special conditions to allow the industry to remain competitive?

    Or the part where safety concerns make these things nearly unbuildable as the safety conditions shift constantly even during construction?

    Or the part where no new reactors have come online in the last 2 decades due to the issues above forcing EDH to spend insane amounts of money to try to extend the life of the existing reactors?

    Or the part where things are going so badly for the industry that the French government had to nationalise it to save it from collapse?

    Or the part where the French government has basically given a blank cheque to the industry to TRY to construct 8 reactors with zero evidence to show they'll be able to do so given the farce that is Flamville?

    Or the part where the EU funds that might save it are at risk because other EU govts take exception to classifying nuclear as green and are mounting legal action to block funding for nuclear?

    Or the part where the industry is claiming to be save itself by building SMR's with no evidence to support that?

    Or something else?

    Which part?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    They can fook right off.

    I drive a 15 year old car so I should go off and buy a new car, which creates masses of new emissions in order for it to be built.

    The Irish greens are the biggest bunch of miserable fookers.

    They appear to have replaced those religious eejits that went around self-flagellating themselves.

    They have refused to countenance nuclear and now they are going to go against electric cars.

    So no personal transport bar a bicycle.

    Folks the message now appears to be that unless you live basically in Dublin you can go fook yourself.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There are competing priorities and while the lifecycle emissions of continuing to run an older car are better, the local impact in cities can be pretty awful. Clean air zones are not the same as banning older cars and it is poorly phrased in the headline. But ultimately spewing out particulate emissions in densely populated areas is bad for people's health.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    I've another 8-10 years from my 2008 I30 CRDI. Look after it like a baby. The Greens can go f**K themselves 😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The parts that are there that you refuse to recgnise.

    The French nuclear sector was allowed to get to the situation where so many plants are now off line for maintenance because the French government were getting so much grief from Germany and German influence within the E.U to follow Germany and shut down their plants. Something they were going to do until this present crisis where the saw what that has left Germany, the former Irish greens favourite stick to beat us with, and have now reversed that decision and are instead planning to build a fleet of new nuclear plants. The French may look a bit foolish at the moment, but nowhere as foolish as the Germans where nuclear is concerned. To add to their foolishness of now being in the situation that they have to keep their few plants operational, the German Economic Minister, a Green Party member recently blamed France for that because France may now no able to supply them with their usual quota of nuclear electricity. You really could not make it up, but the German Minister managed too.

    Both the influence of Germany, and their good friend Austria on the E.U. and nuclear has waned with the E.U. recently changing the taxonomy rules on nuclear. Austria do not like that, but very much by the green playbook are refusing to accept a democratic vote and are running to the courts.

    You have made a lot of these interconnectors for importing and exporting nuclear. Prior to this year France year on year have been the top exporter of electricity due to their nuclear plants. This year that honour went to Sweden due to their nuclear plants, so not difficult to see wy they are going to add to their nuclear plant numbers.

    If you really are interested in discussing price then Flamamville 3 finished cost will be €12.5 Bn for a 1.6 GW plant. That is €7.8 Bn. per Gigawatt produced 24/7 at a mid 90% of capacity for domestic consumption. Compare that to the E.S.B. offshore plan and for just the offshore part of that plan alone, without all the hydrogen production and storage costs, best case based on the U.K. average construction offshore costs is over €12 Bn. per Gigawatt. Compared to Hornsea 1, €17 Bn. per Gigawatt.

    So seeing as you have this new found interest in costs, why don`t you explain why this E.S.B. plan makes more sense cost wise than an alternative power source like nuclear.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm not sure you even watched the same video lol



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Not only did I watch it, I watched it to the end, Something I`m not sure you came even close to doing.

    So now with this new found interest in costings you appear to have from wherever, are you going to answer the question or just waste time prevaricating in your usual manner before sliding away ?

    Can you explain why this E.S.B. plan makes more sense cost wise than an alternative power source like nuclear ?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Umm nuclear is not possible in Ireland due to legislation so its not an alternative



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Too hot= climate change, too cold= climate change, too dry= climate change, too wet= climate change

    Every bloody article/item in the news..

    Too many polar bears, too much coral recovery, too many supposedly flooding atols not flooding, not a word. It is as if the camera only zooms in on an extreme and then it is a forgone conclusion: whatever happens make sure you link it to climate change, no matter what the IPCC reports actually say.. oh and they dont seem to say climate change anymore but climate emergency. Change is apparently not enough. We need to panic and keep our focus on Co2 targets. Criminal. History books will look back at this in 30 years and put it in a special category under the header 'collective derangement' comparitive to the Nazi period in the 1930s.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Already happening but on a long term time-scale. Prevent one off housing, overtime the ratio of rural to urban changes.



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