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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    Mooncoin? Where have you been



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Local_Chap


    Mooncoin certainly and Piltown to a lesser extent generally have players on the underage county teams every year, senior level, maybe not so much. Who were the last players to play senior inter county from these clubs? Eddie Mackey and Liam McCarthy are the two that spring to mind



  • Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭jimmythesulk



    When was the last time Mooncoin provided a starter for Kilkenny for a senior hurling championship match?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    I heard conor browne might be going travelling anyone else hear this?James maher linked up with the kk panel in Thailand. I wouldn't be suprised to see himself and carey back next spring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    Maher will want to have the helmet on walking back into Freshford I'd say. I can't imagine he's very popular over there now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭The Birchfield Boy


    The capitation grant that the county board gets should be determined by ability of clubs it field football (or hurling) teams. Rough shotting football in kk and clubs not playing ball by entering teams should see the half the gaa grant disappear. That will focus co board minds fairly quickly. Let that halfing of the grant trickle to club level (club coaching grant) to clubs that don't enter teams. Simples



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,700 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    This bigoted opinion is probably the exact same kind of nonsense spouted by the dinosaurs that 'run' GAA affiliated games in Kilkenny.

    And instead of displaying your ignorance , and embarressing yourself, maybe just ignore what you dont like reading about .....

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 He wont know that. Probably thinks Muckalee is near Kilmacow......

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 Shocks12


    Agreed.


    If Buckely, Alan Murphy, Richie Leahy, Forgarty (Maybe harsh here) are still knocking around and a few others I wouldn’t be confident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,232 ✭✭✭barneygumble99


    Cheddar Plunkett managing muckalee next year



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    I certainly don't know the ins and outs of what happened but it was fairly well known James was going travelling. I think he played the relegation semi final and I heard he was asked to come back for the final but declined. James played most/all the matches when he was here I think. From what I heard it was another player that caused alot of trouble. Pity cause he's a good player and played u21 for kk.from the outside looking in I don't think it's James mahers fault Freshford are junior.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    He didn't play the 1st round / semi final against Martins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    Sorry about the Mooncoin question, I picked it up wrong. I thought you were questioning there commitment there is serious work going on down there and also in Callan,Castlecomer,and Thomastown. A lot of the others will have to put in bigger efforts,I’m talking about clubs with centers of population. Someone recent Commented on the Boro with huge numbers to pick from.the Boro put in a serious effort over the last twenty years,it doesn’t happen by chance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    I wasn't sure if he did or not but from the outside looking in it was well known he was going travelling. Maybe he could of postponed it a few weeks when they were in trouble but it would be unfair to put blame on him .Alot of things weren't right this year and players missing,management changing but they have some good hurlers they should come back up fairly quickly



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Isn't James meagher someway involved with the mooncoin?they're doing a lot right underage and are probably favourites for this year's u21. Callan is another who are definitely on the right track if they can keep young lads hurling. Lisdowney and young irelands also doing good work.

    Dicksboro seemed to have the underage cracked and are gobbling up alot underage. I know they've good numbers but credit must go to the coaches. What must be very dissapointing is they have failed to translate this to senior. I know the shamrocks have just won 5 in a row and have being very dominant but it's dissapointing with all the underage success ciallian buckley Is the only one to make an impact for kk. Hopefully Clifford,moylan,shine and these will make the breakthrough over the next few years.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The last game James Maher played for Freshford was v the Fenians, from what i hear when he comes back in March he is starting a new job in Limerick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭Village87


    The 2 James Mahers dont get along with the hurling fraternity in Freshford by all accounts



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It would not take to much not to get along in that club, they had a lad that used to fund them when he was rung one sunday morning by Committe member threatened him he is gone to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    Will maher transfer to a limerick club?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Does the club season ticket get you into the Danesfort and Ballyhale matches?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    I did hear he was moving to Limerick it would be a nice commute to Freshford.i was hoping he would of broken into the kk team by now. I know injury set him back but a good hurler on his day.

    3 club teams out the weekend. Skeough make the trip to mulligar not really know whats facing them.i was Impressed with him in the junior final. When windgap got it back level they drove on again. If they can get the same performance tomor they should have enough.

    Danesfort will be down two players from the county final when they face the meath senior champions. Darren booth suffered a serious leg injury cruciate and bone break and jack Bruton who scored 6 points from play in a man of the match performance is gone abroad to teach. Trim have around 7 players on the meath panel and this is a senior club so danesfort won't want to take anything for granted. Nass beat Glenmore last year and I remember carrickshock were steeped a few years ago against the meath champions away.

    Shamrocks look to be on a mission this year after the heartbreaking defeat last year.joey and Colin look to be staying around. Alot of the players were away with the county on holidays last week. They won't take anything for granted and would have knuckled down this week.it would be a big suprise if Castletown geoughan get a result here.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Senditinlow


    U21 A semis tomorrow and B final.

    Thomastown v Dunamaggin a hard one to call, home advantage and I think I read here that Harry Walsh absent for Dunamaggin should swing it for Thomastown. Dunamaggin never easy bet though and had an excellent win over the Boro last time out.

    Mooncoin v O'loughlins also hard to call. Again home advantage worth a few points. Expect a big crowd here. Mooncoin had plenty of goals v Comer but Oloughlins have decent forwards, I'd go for Mooncoin on home advantage.

    U21 B final also a hard one to call. Lisdowney had a 2 week break while Ballycallan played the last 2 weeks, which scenario would ya prefer. Could be a bit of bite here as Ballycallan relegated Lisdowney, there's a few crossover over Senior players on both sides. Both doing well underage, Ballycallan have U19B final next week aswell. Might come down to who has the higher percentage of success from frees.

    Good luck to our 3 club county champions in action in Lenister over the weekend



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Congratulations to trim the better team on the day. Danesfort failed to reach anything like the performance of the county final.they had two wides at the end to level it but drove them wide.



  • Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭conor05


    To be fair Danesfort were not let reach the level of performance of the county final, the Meath intercounty footballer James Togher who was centre back was head and shoulders above any player on the pitch today he absolutely lorded it.

    You could see the lads Meath had who were playing in the Joe McDonagh cup they were very physically built and tough in the tackle, Danesfort were hocked and blocked quite a bit.

    Trim had pace all over the field and Danesfort were second best to most balls.

    Great year for Danesfort to get back up Senior and intermediate Leinster is not easy to win as Glenmore found out last year v Naas.

    Naas had a big win in the Leinster senior today v Shinrone of Offaly, the standard of club hurling is going up the levels in these Joe McDonagh counties big time.

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They have to be very disappointed with that result to day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭jonniegoogle


    I think the Naas result last year was the 1st time in 10 or 11 the kilkenny champions haven't won leinster!!

    Are our club teams fading a bit at intermediate level?

    Dare I say if we took the Shamrocks out of it, would any of the rest be as dominant at senior either?



  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭The Birchfield Boy


    No I think your right. Shamrocks apart any other senior co champs from kk would struggle to win a senior provincial title.



  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭kentu


    A lot of other counties would say the same if the best club team doesn't win the County final, when likes of Cuala, Ballygunner, Na Piarsaigh/Kilmallock are bet not much would be expected.

    Look at the Wexford, Cork and Tipp champions bar Borris Illeigh over the last number of years they've all had major dissapointing results from their respective county champions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    I think the standard of club hurling has come on huge in the last 10 or 15 years. The effort and preparation that goes into it now.

    While it's probably fair enough to say bar the shamrocks a kk club would struggle to make headway at senior the same can be said in other counties.There's a few elite clubs in the country. Ballygunnner,shamrocks,St Thomas and slaughtneill. You can probably throw na piarsiagh in with the 2 caseys now back. But these clubs are a good bit ahead of their challengers in their county



  • Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭conor05


    Cork would be strong at junior and intermediate all Ireland hurling level but have made no impact at senior club level, have barely won a provincial game.

    Wexford and Tipperary, I can’t remember the last time either of them have won anything at all Ireland club hurling level at any grade.

    You only have to look at the All Ireland intermediate club final last year Naas of Kildare v Kilmoyley of Kerry, the landscape is definitely changing at that grade.

    Oulart the Ballagh getting knocked out today by an average Dublin intermediate club shows how much they have fallen back. 6 year ago they played Na Piarsaigh in an All Ireland senior club semi-final.

    Though I think Roscrea from Tipp could win the All Ireland intermediate club this year, super team.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Ballyhale are a joy to watch the way they always use the man In the better position and if there's a half chance of a goal they'll go for it. Still no brian cody who was in a boot a few weeks ago and tj and paddy mullen didnt play today.They're blooding lads like killian corcoran and niall shortall. Colin is still a great target man and always wins frees. He still has something to offer in a kk Jersey I think.

    They'll come up against Tom mullallys naas side next . Tom is a shrewd operator and a good coach. He'll have a plan In place and naas won the intermediate last year in croke park but shamrocks are a great team.

    Thomastown needed extra time to beat a gallant Dunnamaggin side minus Denis walsh.Dunnamaggin came from behind to level it in normal time.Ttown outscored Dunnamaggin 7-1 i think in extra time.It got very dark early this evening it must of being difficult in thomastown they probably should of started the match earlier in the event of a draw. Mooncoin beat o loughlins in the other semi. Ballycallan beat lisdowney by a point in the b final and conahy will face graignamanagh in the d after they beat ballyragget.



  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭droppingball


    The visibility was very bad at the end of normal time in Thomastown for the u21 match. It looked like it was going to be too dark to finish it and that it would have to be a replay. Looked like the two management teams were on the one page and wanted a replay but referee insisted it had to be played.

    It brightened a touch when a downpour came which helped but a 2.30 start was too late with the possibility of extra time.

    The standard of hurling was good all things considered. Team with wind totally dominated each half and it looked like dunamaggin were going to win pulling up in the second half but Thomastown dug it out well and dunamaggin needed a long range point from Andy Hickey to level.

    Thomastown totally owned extra time and took scores well in torrential rain. They scored as much against the wind in extra time as in whole second half. Might suggest Thomastown were a bit more physical or Dunamaggin maybe used their energy chasing Thomastown lead. Denis Walsh may have won for them if he was playing and was a loss but they fought hard. Best for them was Andy Hickey and Ruadhri Holden (might have surname wrong)

    Zach Bay Hammond, Eddie Donnelly hurled well but thought Jack Holden caused all the damage, not sure how much he scored but he made every ball stick.

    Mooncoin seemed to be scoring plenty of goals but Thomastown aren't bad, should be a good final with Mooncoin as favorites.

    Standard at u21 matches has been high considering the heavy pitches.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well done to Thomastown Today, a hard fought win. For Ttown to progress going forward there needs to be a shakeup at club level. Speaking to people within the club it seems the current officers are in place since 2014/ 2015, and that a staleness has crept in. It would be great to think on the back of Todays win the club could have a fresh new approach to 2023.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 Lowball


    As an outsider I haven’t heard good things about the leadership there. Lots of unilateral decisions made in ale houses etc.

    Surely there’s a cap on how many years officers can serve?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Deskjockey


    Mooncoin must be disappointed. Not many teams score 6 goals in a hurling match and lose


    5 18 great scoring for Thomastown all the same at this time of year, fair play to them



  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭droppingball


    Great game in the under 21 final yesterday. Two very even teams and both seemed to have no weak players in any positions which is good for country clubs.

    Thomastown bench really made the difference with Alex Cass and Rory Connelan making a big contribution. Thomastown dominated extra time, looked like Mooncoins running game in the heavy ground took too much out of them.

    Great for our club to see the improvement this team has made as we won the minor b day mooncoin won the minor A, says things are going in the right direction. To win u21a, minor b, u15b, junior a and the camogie has made it a year to remember, still disappointing to lose the intermediate final but we can have no complaints about that.

    For Mooncoin with the talent they have I expect to see them senior in the near future as they will get plenty from that u21 team.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭Noddy33


    Expecting big improvement from O'Loughlin Gaels next year with a management team lead by Brian Hogan and backed up by Alan O'Brien, Alan Geoghegan, Nigel Skehan (Trainer) and Micky Comerford (S&C). Would think it would be a very popular choice with OLG players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    They must be forgiving Mickey Comerford for "over training" the team during his last stint with them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its not long ago since Ttown were playing at A level in u15 and minor grades, so its not great progress to be winning at B level now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    Did olg not win the county final the last time mickey Comerford was involved no ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,915 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Sad news that Bobby Jackman has died, he managed John Locke's to an all Ireland junior final in 2010 with his son captaining the team. His other son played with realt dearg in Dublin and is still stalwart of the club, that Bobby showed great support for down the years. RIP to a great hurling man.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭Speak Now




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Post was in reference to minor and u15 grades.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 mwcat


    Thomastowns U21 team won minor B in 2018 beating Danesfort by 3 points in a great game. Chaps develop and mature at different stages. A good honest bunch and well done to them. Hard luct to Mooncoin who are a cracking team too.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think officers normally serve 3 years and then are replaced or step down in the interest of the CLUB. Unless of course your club is unfortunate and has a dictatorship in place! It becomes a sad state of affairs when people out stay their welcome. Im lucky to be part of a progressive club who see the value of officer rotation. Our present chair is stepping down at our upcoming agm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 Lowball


    I agree re the rotation. It freshens things up and brings new ideas and perspectives to a club. A lot of “sure no one wants the job” goes on but that’s rubbish, someone always fills the post. Lack of personnel changes are usually due to vested interests etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    I like dipping in on this page. You guys talk alot of sense around hurling. Is it too early to speculate about Kilkennys chances next year ? Can they best Limerick if they meet em again. I honestly dont think they can next year but the year after maybe. It's alot to ask in the management's first year. For me even though it was just a 2 point loss this year limerick were 5 to 8 points better. Kyle Hayes dropped back to protect the goal when 5 up. That was the game.

    There's more in Eoin Cody . He misses alot and there has to be more in the half backs. I dobt rate Richie Reid but then he's not a bad hurler, definately not a dominant centre back . I'm being harsh here but I'm being honest.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭tibruit


    "5 to 8 points better"

    Really? I thought the final score just about summed it up. Barring a ref having a meltdown the scoreboard usually doesn`t lie. Kilkenny shut out Limerick`s inside scoring machines, but Limerick had a long puck out strategy that they executed well and KK failed to deal with effectively. That got them over the line in the end. KK have a young team now and it is something that ran below the radar a bit last year.

    I`d like to think we will be better next year but then you have to factor in new management. I wish them well, but I seem to be a dinosaur who doesn`t obsess about us playing the short game and thinks that Cody shouldn`t have retired. Sometimes you have to be careful about what you wish for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Limerick were the better team on the day there is no doubt and deserved their win. I'd agree that 2 points was about fair and if you consider a few things that could improve us next year there is plenty of reason to be hopeful in Kilkenny. Limerick will still be raging hot favourites but as we know in Kilkenny the longer the winning streak goes on the harder it becomes and the more likely you are to pick up injuries to key players like Cian Lynch this year and Casey already for Na Pairsaigh. Henry and Brian Hogan in 2010 were irreplaceable and led to our downfall. The strength in depth of dominant teams is usually greatly exaggerated and as it was in Kilkenny's case, it certainly is in Limericks now too. They have 20 very good players but there is a sharp drop off after that, a sharper drop of than Kilkenny had back in the day.

    If you watch the Kilkenny county final last 20 minutes you'll see our AI starting midfield getting torn to shreds when they played together while the game was still there for the winning. I think getting the likes of Ronan Corcoran into the setup would be a big boost, we lack natural midfielders he is one of very few in the county. If we can find a stronger midfield combination than Kenny and Browne I think it improves us no end.

    Our lack of a puck out strategy and our inability to deal with Limericks was easily a 5 or 6 point swing. You'll never get it perfect but I just feel that, that Kilkenny team while playing with more clarity than it had in a few years was still lost a lot of the time especially on puckouts. Derek Lyngs U20's were much better on their own puckouts than the seniors. and I think the addition of the two players I mention below could really aid in stopping the Limerick darts that went straight to hand and over the bar but you won't stop them all, three less would have done though.

    I think Darragh Corcoran and David Blanchfield should be given plenty of time as I think they would be better able for Limericks big men than Deegan and Carey. I think Blanchfield showed very well when he came on against Hegarty after not playing since the first round of the Championship round robin. There might be concern about Corcorans speed at that level but only game time will tell.

    Lastly a new management team doesn't always need time to bed in. I think it was wise of Derek to keep on Phelan and Comerford and add them to his own team. Look at the bump and boost Tyrone players had when they got to try something different than what Mickey Harte had been offering. They failed this year but their in an ultra competitive province, were we have a game or two to find our feet.

    None of these are a given but for me these are all things to be positive and hopeful for. There are likely plenty who can point out plenty of reasons to be pessimistic but I think we have a great chance of getting back to an AI and if we do I'd really fancy us no matter who we're playing. It's all fine margins at intercounty level, Limerick are probably the best coached team to ever play hurling and have it off to a tee. For us to come within 2 points without our lads and manager being as comfortable with our game plan tells me there's room for improvement. We will see if we can find any improvement, only time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    Great Post. Id agree with nearly it all. There are lots of reasons to be confident for 2023 for Kilkenny.

    Yeah considering the halfbacks were over run and yere midfield didn't really motor .. I watched back the final again today on Sky. All the times ye went 6 down and came back,it says alot but I would still contend that it was more comfortable than 2. Kilkenny are in leinster and I don't mind if ye don't agree but that's a huge advantage. So ye can plan ahead abit.

    Ye need a dominant centre back. Blanchfield was decent when he came on. He caught that good ball over Hegarty but by God he's very skinny. How did he get to this point and not get a proper nutrition and weights plan. He's playing catch up. He's got ability though. Careys gone for the year isn't he? He was decent. The size difference was massive ..Richie Reid got roasted in the air by Hayes.

    Limerick will find it tough next year. There's no young fellas knocking down the door. O Neill, coughlan might get starts but that's about it. It is harder every year but if Limerick get to the final...they ll win it again. Kinnerk and Kiely are very complimentary to each other

    Kilkenny puck outs. There is no plan. The short ones are awfull. There's no rhythm. With a short puck out you have to be moving...and there has to be over lappers. The long ones...well yer goalie hits the long ones too high ,gives the likes of Byrnes a rake of time to wind up a run and leap.

    Fullback line is grand. Full forward line grand TJ amazing..Mullins in patches is great. Eoin Cody.. if he takes the pressure off himself abit he could be awesome. Tries too hard. Yeve a good side but there's something lacking...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭kentu


    No sign of any retirements yet from any of the older players, I'd say if any are Richie Hogan, Fogarty and Buckley most likely in my view.

    Will be interesting to see if Lyng wants them in his plans, if Hogan wants to continue I think Lyng would be delighted as his club form was excellent but we know it's a different ball game between Intercounty and Intermediate club, still class is permanent as we've seen with him before.



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