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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Laws can be changed, true, but there's virtually zero support to change that particular one



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    How dare you talk down the green economy. 😃

    It's not like we haven't been here before, last time it was property bears and bulls. yours is exactly the type of negative energy that will lead to a bust. </sarc>. The whole green mania has taken on that early 2000s feel, i.e "I must get on the latter and make something of my life". Typical bubbles run from ~7 to ~15 years. I take the Copenhapen COP in 2009 as the start of the mania in earnest, that was the year where the Climategate gang got exposed and the politicians failed to get any agreement, then this thing has maybe a year or two left to run. The economic reality of the current situation is being bought home to people and the renewables can't use fossil fuel to subsidise unreliable generation any more. It was obvious to me in 2005 that the boom was over based on headwinds elsewhere, but, the mania was just entering its blow off phase here in Ireland and it took a few more years to play out.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    So knowing that the E.S.B. plan is financially unviable economic suicide when compared to nuclear, you have gone with your usual prevarication and B.S.

    Legislaton, as we know from greens to our detriment, is just a stroke of a pen



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Carful now having a solution is not the solution. It cant be the end of the world then. 🤑



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    People have been selling their "mcmansions" to buy houses in the sh1t hole that is Tallagh. How long has that been going on and how many have done that ?

    Only asking because it something the HSE will need to know when putting their next budget submission together. Mental services are going to need a lot more money for the area.

    I would not worry or plan too much on a long term time-scale.Time is not the Irish Green Party`s friend.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It`s getting clearer by the day that Irish greens have no interest in achieving zero emissions.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Come back to me when someone has changed the legislation and we can discuss it further, until then 🤷‍♂️



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Wouldn't everyone, though you'd be hard pushed to find any that would want a nuke plant in their locality



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hmm, I thought that having our own gas resources would lower the price of gas. Going by the info in this article it doesn't make a blind bit of difference

    RTE news : Record gas prices lift Corrib owner's revenues to €190m





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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Price of gas is set at the margin. To illustrate this by example, if you need 4 litres of diesel to get to work, and there are only 3 liters available at the pump, you are not going to get to work, therefore you are going to bid for that 4th litre wherever you can get it and that will set the price. Likewise when it comes to electricity generation, because there is so much unreliable generation on the Irish grid, they are completely dependent on fossil fuels to make up the shortfalls. In no country do unreliable generation sources such as solar and Wind bring down the price of electricity, they are 100% completely dependent on fossil fuels. Due to the Greens and their accomplices (FF & FG) there is a lack of investment in bringing new fossil fuels sources onboard and a policy of curtailment resulting in a shortage of fossil fuels and when coupled with EU sanctions against Russia, their main gas supplier has only served to exacerbate that problem. Gas is more expensive because the policies pursued by Irish and other EU governments have made it so, did nobody explain the "ratchet mechanism" aka the "intended nationally determined contributions" that Enda Kenny signed us on for back in 2015? What do you think that does to the marginal price of energy?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Other than posting puff pieces extolling greens you really do not have a clue do you.

    Your even clueless on link dumps you post that you believe extol greens as many of them show the opposite.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    By that logic, if we had zero gas in the EU grid we would not have issues with marginal pricing of gas causing the massive spikes.

    Sounds like something to aspire to



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You do realise that renewables are getting the same price per unit supplied, and they have first shot at filling requirements, or have you still not figured out how the marginal pricing policy works. In fairness it has been explained too you enough times ,and it really isn`t complicated. If renewables are as cheap to produce as you keep claiming then those renewable energy companies must be absolutely creaming it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    And no electricity when the wind does not blow.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm not the one struggling with the fact that nuclear is not an option here 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Lol. No, you are the one struggling attempting to ignore that the E.S.B. plan is so financially unviable it would be economic suicide.

    But then you are not really interested in a viable means of achieving net zero emissions anyway.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,451 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Well only in very extreme circumstances. I'm sure there must be an expression for that...



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Is that now your latest stock reply when caught out rambling on something you haven`t a clue on ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Thing that annoys me is the link dumps of none related none joined up stuff it's just it's green somehow. None of the stuff actually works in conjunction. Get rid of Gas or Gas not being allowed great. Don't worry when the power goes out wind will take up the slack somehow. More busses. Well better not subsidise them properly so people want to use them. Busses going to be like an Uber, Actually no if you read the fine print. Cargo bikes, Again welcome to sunny Ireland. Should the kids wear helmets ofc not they will die if hit by a car walking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom



    Still engaged w DC? A waste of time. My advice: IGNORE, like you would an aggressive drunk on the street. No eye contact and stay away..😊

    I simply gloss over his posts and scroll down. But if you reply i get to see them☹



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    I think the only way to rectify this is ban fossil fuels and when mass starvation and energy starvation happens across the world including first world countries. We can resort to cannibalism start with the greens and their voters. 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    What did the Germans do? They opened LNG terminals, reverted to coal and their industries either curtailed production, shutdown, or are in the process of moving abroad where they can get supply. Likewise if there is no gas available here in Ireland at the right price we revert to other fuel sources and no Green mandates will stop that. Wind and solar cannot set the marginal price, they are not available on demand, if the system were not rigged, they would have the lowest quality product available and be priced accordingly. That is why you see the wind lobby at the Sinn Fein Árd Fheis, they are entirely dependent on government subvention and the availability of fossil fuels. Because they are there, the government has to agree subvention payments to fossil fuels companies for balancing services. None of this is free, or do you not have to worry about paying electricity bills?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    We will be storming the Áras. The presidents champagne socialism will not make up the energy deficit. Anyone who works for the multinationals will recognise the language, read any publication by WEF, IMF, World Bank, major trade organizations, etc.

    Mr Higgins will call for a new approach to economics, one that is based on a connection between ecology, economics and society.

    One that “combines the radicalism that is in the consciousness of climate activism, with the consciousness of egalitarianism and the programmes of inclusion activists”. source



    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    A bit of old news (2019).Climate Change has been replaced by Emergency. So, in an Emergency one would be obliged to put rules in place to tackle that, right? Like we did during the Covid pandemic. Those were super stringent and largely unnecessary imo. However, many countries have relaxed rules and restrictions while really devious people are still trying to put them into law in which they do not belong. As we all know, the Climate Emergency will simply never end and by putting reduced CO2 emission targets into law to end all debate about their purpose and effect democracy has been bypassed and the climate fascists have taken over. It is an undeniable and inconvenient truth..

    Edit: to add, at least more questions are asked now that we have hit the reality wall. It is positive that journalists are at least asking the right questions io being little George Lees. This will grow as long as the real emergency, the energy emergency will bite. That will be for quite some time since we have decided that fossil fuels are the Devil and nobody will take a chance in both investment and maintenance, the latter being the most precarious one..

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭ginger22


    And who is going to create this "wealth" that Mr Higgins thinks he can distribute to everybody. Will the average industrial worker continue to work when he sees his neighbour who does nothing getting it all for free. But then Mr Higgins doesnt have to go out every morning to graft for his existence, he has it all provided by the state, you and me the taxpayer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    I burn wood pellets and do my bit protecting the environment. I should mention the wood pellets are taken from the cat litter tray after poo removal and are put on top of the antracite in a closed burner at the end of the evening.

    So you see, im really trying to do the right thing..😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Have you heard about the new climate court?

    That’s why an overhaul of our planning legislation will be completed this year and a new Environmental and Planning Court is being established. source.

    Once upon a time there was justice and injustice, now there is climate justice.

    Noting the significance of this development, Minister Browne said:

    "I am pleased that Government has given the green light for the establishment of a dedicated Planning and Environment division of the High Court, meeting key commitments in the Programme for Government, Housing for All and also our own Justice Plan.

    "This division will allow for greater efficiency and specialism in the handling of litigation relating to planning and environmental matters, particularly judicial reviews which are a frequent feature of Ireland’s planning and statutory consenting processes. source


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Why just borrow it of course. Magic money theory (MMT) claims governments can just print wealth and run up deficits forever. The average industrial wuurker (you have to go to union school to learn to pronounce this) will pay the taxes and interest rates to support the great and good in their fight against the weather. Those UN NGO trade fairs don't pay for themselves, they need space for lots of private jets.

    The Energy and Climate Intelligence Unit's international lead told BBC News that focusing on world leaders taking private jets to COP27 was "missing the point".

    "The emissions are negligible compared to the impact of decisions and commitments made at these summits," he said.

    "If you want emissions to come down, you want leaders in the room and media, scientists and stakeholders asking the important questions."

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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