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US Midterms 2022 - Read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    When is it all over and decided?

    How about the Democrats win everything then use their power to steam roll all of the policies that they want.

    Does anyone know what actual policies they or any of the candidates have?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Are you having a f*cking laugh?

    You’ve been told about Democrat policies for months now but as per usual you ask questions and you don’t give a damn about the answers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    You've already said it, but that doesn't mean it's true. MAGA and anti woke are two cheeks of the same arse as they're just policies to attack 50% of the electorate, not actual policies for governance. That's what motivates independent voters (and wins elections), policies that benefit America as a whole, not that petty tribal crap



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Giuliana Wrong Rite


    I love how your trump card (pun-intended) is Ron DeSantis.

    Ron DeSantis, the fella that won a governor's race, that he was the overwhelming favourite to win, in one state out of fifty.

    Is that what the midterms have reduced you to?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Democrat policies are a mystery as far as I can see.

    Hopefully now that they have more of a mandate and a grip on power we will see some enacted and progress made



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,865 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And, for extra credit, TFG might've gotten him in trouble wrt his election in 2018, bragging on how he used the FBI to influence voting in Broward county.

    TFG wrote: "I was all in for Ron, and he beat Gillum, but after the Race, when votes were being stolen by the corrupt Election process in Broward County I sent in the FBI and the U.S. Attorneys, and the ballot theft immediately ended, just prior to them running out of the votes necessary to win. I stopped his Election from being stolen."




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,486 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Yeah I'd say she'll be especially delighted if they win the runoff as it means that she won't be shackled to the Senate for the next 2 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,865 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Giver her more time to ratched up her own POTUS campaign, or work on Biden's. All good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,655 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Trump already starting fund raising for Walker in the Georgia election, good job he's not a grifter right?





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,865 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Rude Pundit with a (NSFW) summary of the midterms:

    I especially like his summary at the end:


    However, the real problem isn't that Republican politicians suck. No, the actual blame belongs with their voters, as it always has. You don't get off the hook because you supported absolute garbage candidates like Blake Masters or Lee Zeldin or Kari Lake or Dr. Oz, for f0ck's sake. F0ck you for being so gullible, so simple, so hateful that you'd rather put Doug Mastriano in office than someone who actually gives a sh1t about your problems, like Josh Shapiro (unless your "problems" include critical race theory and drag queens, in which case, grow the f0ck up, you idiot children). F0ck you for thinking that Fox "news" and other assh0les tell you anything about what the world is like. Kids claiming they're cats and sh1tting in litter boxes? Goddamn, how do you look yourself in the mirror and not laugh at how dumb and debased you are for believing things like that. Join reality or go live on f0cknut island somewhere, unvaxxed and uneducated




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,906 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    If you've locked yourself into a Trump echo chamber, then yes, you won't have seen anybody the policies that other posters have linked to or pasted multiple times.

    So, are you locked into that echo chamber, or are you willing to engage on the policies when they are discussed in the future?

    Or is it another 2 years of approval ratings?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,906 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You have to freely admit that your predictions from the last 6 months have pretty much all gone significantly ar*eways.

    The question should be why and what data point you've been consistently missing (even taking the adversarial nature of posting on a forum).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    If Trump fails to get the republication nomination, I actually can't see him running as an independent because he has absolutely no chance of being reelected without the support of the ordinary republicans who will vote for the republican nominee. He'd do better than other independents in past elections because the MAGA lunatics and election deniers will vote for him no matter what, but I can't see Trump entering a race knowing he'll loose it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,906 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I doubt it, it would cost him money and he'd need to put his own effort into it.

    He'll try (and maybe fail) to sell his endorsement depending on how the primaries go then go back to shouting angrily from the side-lines.

    He'll drag out the legal proceedings till his death, he has enough cult-like supporters to keep that going for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Yeah does anyone remember the last Florida governor that Republicans expected to sweep to the White House in 2016...

    DeSantis will get destroyed in the primary if he goes against Trump and his political career will be Ted Cruz'd. Already the sanctimonious nickname is sticking and we haven't had one debate lol.

    DeSantis is a political unknown to most of the country certainly outside hardcore Republican circles. The odds on him beating an incumbent President in Pennsylvania/Arizona/Michigan and Wisconsin (which he would have to do to get to 270) are low. You likely won't have inflation in 2 years either and most likely lowest unemployment ever..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    The only reason Trump may run is desperation - he knows it’s his last chance and it will keep the political donations coming in and potentially offer him protection from on going legal proceedings.


    I hope he does. The big takeaway from the mid terms is Trump is done. A loser and Americans hate losers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    I would prefer to see Trump defeated in the primaries than in a general election. It would deny Trump another general election platform, and would clearly demonstrate that the GOP have entered a new chapter without him. He'd absolutely hate that. Another advantage of Trump not getting the GOP nomination is that it avoids his inevitable claims of voter fraud in the general election if he looses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    When has trump ever been a winner? Aside from 2016, the only thing trump has excelled at is spending his daddy's money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    And the only reason he was a winner in 2016 was the bizarre electoral college system. A few million more voters wanted Clinton to be president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,182 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    virtually all of your conclusions and projections about this election were wrong because of whatever set of media or data you felt was going to make this a red tsunami etc.

    While it’s great to see you’re quicker to accept the reality than most, it’s a very dismissing of the personal conclusions made from one’s own personal consumption of media and the propagation of their own personal takes, especially prior to the election.

    At the same time other people urged caution and advised we haven’t had an election that tracked polling predictions since 2014. So it’s a bit off to blame your wishcasting on the pollsters.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Even Democrats expected a red wave, despite their onscreen statements.

    Let's not rewrite history here.

    A tiny minority of people "predicted" what has happened in the midterms. And those predictions were more or less lucky guesses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,519 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    While it’s great to see you’re quicker to accept the reality than most,

    As much as @eskimohunt has pretty much no opinion that I agree with I think he deserves respect for changing his mind when faced with a loss and not just closing his account or disappearing off the thread. He stays and still fights his corner and that's what discussion forums are about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,182 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I’m still gonna say this huge dip in Russian morale was caused by the midterms: Russians now know the GOP won’t be able to defund US/NATO support so it’s time to launch the nukes




  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    They weren't 'lucky guesses'. There are some who have formed their projections based on actually looking at what was going on and not on polls which completely under-polled single women and Gen Z.

    And, for the record, I wasn't one of them. I expected the Republicans to take the House and I expected them to take it quite comfortably. This hasn't happened and there are many people out there that are calling it well before the networks are.

    This guy below has got his forecasts a hell of a lot closer than RealClearPolitics, FiveThirtyEight and pretty much all of the networks and he explains how below:

    That's not luck. Far from it.

    The guy above reckons the Democrats will keep control of the House by 2 seats. Before counting even began, he predicted it would be a 2-6 seat majority for the Democrats.

    Nobody has that much luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    yeah it is a phenomena in elections that some people want to be on the 'winning' side and they go out and vote accordingly. Ive seen it referred to in political science as the horse racing element of elections, some people want to feel that they 'backed a winner' to make themselves feel better about themselves or some such. One study I saw said the phenomena is especially prevalent in the final few days of a campaign when people get swept up in the emotion and blanket coverage of it and it can even bring out people to vote who didnt intend to vote because they want to be on the 'winning' side.

    We had it here to some extent with Fianaa Fail during the Celtic Tiger when there was a certain fervour to vote for them as the 'winning' party. It is all a bit stupid but it can definitely happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    There's a ton of posters who can't go an hour without mentioning that guy. I'm not one of them. Nor was I.


    I can't say I saw any of these policies. Sure let's see what they do. No excuse now the mandate is there.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    You have had policies pointed out and explained to you multiple times.

    You chose to ignore them and not read them because you don’t actually care. That’s the fact of the matter here. You don’t actually give a damn what their policies are and you just want to make noise.

    And no, I’m not going to show any of the policies to you because you’ve just proven that any previous attempts to point this to you have been nothing but a waste of time.

    Pull the other one, seriously. Your lies that you haven’t seen any policies are fooling nobody here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,865 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    There's a ton of posters who can't go an hour without mentioning that guy. I'm not one of them. Nor was I.

    Umm... when did 'was' start? When you joined this past May, or a previous incarnation? Inquiring minds want to know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    More rumblings about the house staying democrat.

    Hard to believe.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In many respects that's a double-edged sword.

    It puts added pressure on Biden to actually deliver on policy, and the challenges that currently face the United States. He could not hide behind the excuse of a bipartisan roadblock in Congress. And if Biden doesn't deliver, it gives that added opportunity to the Republicans heading into 2024.

    Can a man who recently confused Cambodia with Colombia resolve the serious challenges in the United States at present?

    More and more people are coming to the conclusion that the answer to that question is a resounding no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    How many bills are waiting to be heard in the Senate but were blocked for the last two years by mitch McConnell with the threat of the filibuster? Having control of the house and Senate can only mean so much when it comes to actually effecting legislation



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I must be a contrarian then. Similarly, with negative adverts, I ignore the unsolicited content and put it as a mark against the candidate who funds it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭coolbeans




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    “Biden is the first Dem president since FDR in 1934 to have a net gain of governorships.”


    But sleepy joe or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    This'll probably trigger a few but if you've read the Muller report it should be remembered that Russia was batting for Trump throughout the 2016 election. This seems to have been forgotten. No collusion was proven but I wonder if he could have won without their support? Regardless, hopefully this is the end of the last six years of crazy and bone fide conservatives will return to temper the excesses of some of the more illiberal liberals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,865 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    There's some important things you miss, like collusion isn't a crime but treason is, and Mueller left it up to the (GOP) congress to charge TFG, which they didn't.

    The last 2 years in terms of effective Washington government haven't been crazy. The last 6 years in TFG land are crazy and still are (ffs, 2 years post election and TFG is still going on about it.)

    Need proof? Here's a really simple thread on 100+ achievements of the Biden administration, without a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Of course, not everything on this list involves Congress (like, killing Al-Zawahiri)




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,182 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Of the people DeSantis left florida to campaign for — how many actually won?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Not to poo poo your article but the vast majority of those "achievements " are : handed out tax payers money.

    Maybe that's all that any president does but that's what they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Trump may not have won without Russia's support, but especially in this day and age, it shouldn't come as a surprise that foreign interests both public and private will attempt to influence other countries' electorates to further their own agenda. I think even in the 2018 abortion referendum here, there were reports of money being pumped into the No campaign from lobbyist groups stateside. It's not really news that Russia was attempting to influence US's 2016 general by disseminating much information unflattering to the Democrats and Hilary, especially - someone who Putin was very keen not to see take the office of president. If the U.S. sees any ins to spread information which could topple the current Iranian administration in an election, they'd likely take that opportunity as well. That's not to say that the U.S. is exactly as bad as Russia, as I believe Russia to be a terribly authoritarian state whose model should not be followed by any western country, but it is to say that countries, especially the larger powers are going to try and further their spheres of influence where they can, and its de facto tolerated as part of the 'great game' - certainly where it's a case of 'soft influence', i.e. spreading of certain information to influence an electorate, but much less where it's 'hard influence', i.e. hacking voting machines or backing armed rebels, or assassinations.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But it wasn't out of any great love of Joe Biden (lowest approval rating for a US president heading into a midterms).

    You can thank Donald Trump and his anti-democratic rhetoric, as well as the illegalisation of abortion. Not Biden. Definitely not Biden.

    We'll find out in 2024 how many of the same people actively support Biden with vim and vigour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,865 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Eh. The ones that spent money, are spending taxpayer dollars. Various achievements like "appointed judges/gun safety legislation/minimum corporate tax" aren't spending money. Presidents do way more than spend money.

    Feel free to count the numbers but I don't think 'vast majority' is accurate. The vast majority of 'spent money on X' indeed spent money. But its nonsense to say all that was done by the current administration is spend money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,865 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Don't forget about Roe. When a ruby-red backwater like Kentucky loses an amendment to make getting an abortion impossible in KY, Roe matters. A lot. And if you consider Dobbs wasn't issued till the summer, the pro-choice advocates did not have huge time to get things on ballots and yet they did. By 2024, the ballots will be swarming with pro-choice amendments/regs/... nationwide. Roe really matters to American women, they vote and they donate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,182 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    CO-08 goes to the Dems and now they need just 1 more seat to hold the House. Holy ****.

    Several seats still not called in California.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Sure, but you could always make that argument. It has been argued that the reason that Trump won in 2016 wasn't because of any great love of Trump but because Hilary failed to energise the Democrat base.

    The problem for DeSantis, if he does run for president and clinches the nomination, is he's going to stay at least a bit Trumpian in order to keep that part of the Republican base on side while also attracting independent voters. Trump's election denialism lost in the midterms, but it's not as if it lost by double digits. The races were pretty close in most cases and DeSantis will need those people on side. The Republican party could get around this in a House campaign by telling individual candidates to distance themselves for Trump or cosy up where expedient. That strategy is not going to work so well for one man running for president in a general or else face running a positively schizophrenic campaign. This is the problem the Republicans face where its base is so polarised and they did it to themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,865 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Nahh read down the thread. Still projections. I'd wait till tomorrow at the earliest. And Madge Taylor and Lauren Boobird both won, which stinks but it is what it is.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Trump proved that his policy base can win an election.

    DeSantis can act as a receptacle for some popular Trumpian policies whilst also acting as the adult in the room. No necrotic talk of election denialism or any of that kind of conspiratorial nonsense.

    If the Republicans can learn from these midterms, install DeSantis as the future of the GOP, and bring their language back into the realm of moderation, then I don't see why they cannot win in 2024.

    I still think Trump will not announce his candidacy next Tuesday.



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