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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    I see the lovely cuddly left attacked and assaulted national party members with weapons today at their Ard Fheis. What scamps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Kwasi Kwarteng/Liz Truss's emergency budget from some weeks back reportedly cost the UK upwards of 50B pounds only for it to be rolled back immediately by Jeremy Hunt who today warned that everyone is facing increased taxes to pay for the ludicrous actions.

    And this is what is on Jacobs Rees Mogg's mind.

    In the article he takes aim at the coming threat to the Tories opportunity to stay in power with the conversation around Proportional Representation growing in volume.

    He is looking to maintain the scenario where they, with a minority of popularity in the country get to hold most of the power. Remember when he and others like he claimed that they needed to leave the EU so that 'the chosen elites' were not impacting on peoples lives in the UK who didn't vote for them. That is literally what he is calling for.

    And coupled with the arrest of journalists covering recent Just Stop Oil protests by police using new powers granted to them in the recent policing bill which specifically looks to curb public protests, people should be paying very close attention to what this right wing mindset is attempting to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass




    The problem with electoral reform in UK is a small bunch of elites on both sides of the fence. The Guardian no less

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/30/labour-resisting-members-electoral-reform-pr

    "The disgraceful reason why a minority in the party, comprising tribal dinosaurs, reject it, however, is that it means Labour, too, would never win alone again, losing seats to the Greens and any new socialist party that may emerge."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Yeah, Labour continue to have a battle between many at the parliamentary/party management level and a large number of their base. Jeremy Corbyn found out just how divided these groups are in certain ways, so too did Femi Oluwole when the party actively refused him the opportunity to become a member. Not a good sign for them in my view. Although, this being said, the fact that they adopted proportional representation at Conference is significant and a step in the right direction.

    Keir Starmers recent response to Just Stop Oil protestors wasn't very different from that of Tories either and history won't judge him kindly for it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Cal4567


    I was in the UK over the last few weeks. A lot of ordinary people getting pissed off very quickly with the just oil mob who seem to be a mix of middle class 20 year olds and recently retired public sector workers with time on their hands. Stopping ordinary folk from going about their daily travel and work was never going to be popular.

    Starmer needs that core vote as well as remaining attractive to the centre. No surprise with his stance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Do you think scenes like this make it easy for people to go about their daily travel and work?



    All these are from 2022.

    We've tried ignoring the problem, do you think we just haven't tried ignoring it hard enough?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,649 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I've lived in the UK for nearly 12 years. Nobody I know has even mentioned it. It's largely the usual angry men online who are wailing about it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,908 ✭✭✭✭Rothko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,297 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is what I get from Babylon Bee when I click in from Twitter

    'What a bunch of snowflakes.'



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  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    She and hundreds of others ignored lots of similar orders to get to that point without getting shot. You do realise that this is how most police victims, get shot in the US?



  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stupid mobile app doesn't allow me to quote but referring to why Trump supporters can't be referred to as a group anymore than Biden or Obama supporters is because people have all sorts of reasons for supporting Trump. Maybe Biden closed the coal mine in Pennsylvania employing their town. Maybe they are pro life. Maybe they like his jokes. Who the hell knows. Statistically some of them voted for Obama previously.

    I think you are referring to the hardcore MAGA rally attending election denying Trump supporters. In that case they are a group but a small minority going on the disastrous midterms for the Republicans despite the worst Democratic white house, gas prices and economy in living memory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,042 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Antifa and Trans Rights Activists "peacefully protesting" against *checks notes* a women's speaking event.


    https://twitter.com/moveincircles/status/1592437722526121990?s=20&t=8K9lYVHoYWFWPif_sOAcrg


    https://twitter.com/AreYouAwaQe/status/1592227321255428096?s=20&t=8K9lYVHoYWFWPif_sOAcrg

    Staff of Reduxx threatened because they write articles from a different viewpoint.

    https://twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1592241222457774080?s=20&t=8K9lYVHoYWFWPif_sOAcrg

    I'm sure everyone will be changing their profiles to "Je suis Reduxx" any second now.

    Extremists in any form can be dangerous, be they right or left.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,649 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Tweet dumps and snide comments. No thanks.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You are seriously not in a position to talk about snide comments:

    Many people have complained about Just Stop Oil. Your anecdote is meaningless.

    Let's instead take a look at some, you know, evidence - from The Guardian, no less.

    As the campaign continues, polling by YouGov has found that almost two-thirds of Britons say they are opposed to Just Stop Oil’s disruptive tactics. According to a survey of 1,700 adults between 20 and 21 October – while the group’s protests were focused on central London – 64% said they opposed the tactics, which included roadblocks and spraying paint on buildings, while just one in five (21%) said they backed them.

    You're talking nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,042 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Just keep your head in the sand so.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,649 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I prefer facts and evidence. Snide comments and dumps are neither of these.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭Gentlemanne


    Calling it a "women's speaking event" is so disingeous it's like seeing brownshirts goosestepping in the streets and calling it a marching parade. And if that comparison seems unfair to you consider that the organiser of this event, Posie Parker, is constantly promoting and supporting European white nationalists and US "Proud Boy" fascists.

    Calling what Reduxx do a "different viewpoint" is a bit rich too, their ouput is entirely trans hate propaganda. They are like Stormfront but instead of racial hatred its against trans and GNC people. Death threats are unequivocally wrong but the people who run Reduxx are hateful dickheads who know what they're doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Rupert Murdoch has apparently told Trump that his network will no longer support him and his days in the White House are done.

    This doesn't come as a surprise, and it remains to be seen exactly how it will playout, but its worth mentioning here in the context of the absolute power that Murdoch has, and continues to have in influencing the outcomes of many political battles.

    Brexit would not have happened if he was in favour of it, neither would Trump have been elected the first time round IMO. And coincidentally, another strong influence in the occurrence of Brexit, Dominic Cummings, suggested last night that the Guardian should be blocked online because it is a source of lies. The Guardian of course being one of the platforms on which Carole Cadwalladr disclosed a lot of the shady goings on behind those pushing Brexit.

    And of course the irony is that one of the strongest arguments Cummings and Murdoch media made in supporting Brexit was so as to prevent Britain being influenced by unelected elites....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    28 seconds of hard facts here.

    A long way from 350M/week for the NHS and nothing but sunlit uplands. And it also was announced today that the Paris Stock Exchange is now, for the first time ever greater than the London one. Not to mention the cutting off at the knees the opportunity for tens of millions of UK people to travel, live and work throughout the UK, by many people who have taken steps to make sure that they retain that freedom.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Not as if the rest of the western world is going down the pan is it. I'm sure a Citigroup member has no iron in the fire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,042 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Scottish parliament rejected barring rapists from obtaining a GRC.

    Women's safety and boundaries are of secondary concerns to what a man wants. So very progressive.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,649 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,042 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    It may have been a committee rather than a full parliamentary vote.


    https://www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/legislation/bills/s6-bills/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill/stage-2/marshalled-list.pdf


    Amendments put forward by Russell Findlay.


    It was voted against. Conservative and Labour voted for. SNP and Greens voted against.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,649 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This transphobic hobby horse again. No thanks.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The UK has fallen into a recession which will last more than a year and push half a million people out of work, according to a fresh forecast from the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR).


    There will be the biggest fall in living standards since records began with inflation “tipping the economy into a recession lasting just over a year”, the spending watchdog said.


    The drop in household spending power will be so acute in the next two years it will effectively wipe out the past eight years of growth, as wage rises fail to keep pace with inflation and interest rates rises. It will effectively turn the clock back to 2013, the OBR said.

    For people born from around 1990, and who were leaving school, going to University etc from around 2008, while they might have hoped for prosperity and opportunity instead they have had to experience a global financial collapse, a xenophobic and racially driven Brexit vote, a completely inept Brexit implementation, a two-fingered approach to managing the Covid pandemic, continued climate inaction and now this. Very upsetting to have had this experience but Incredibly incredibly depressing when all along Rupert Murdoch, Conrad Black, Paul Dacre etc blatantly lied to people about what they were experiencing, and who was responsible for it. And within the last couple of years, 2 TV stations were launched in the UK with a specific focus of 'straight talking' and being non-woke, and who spend their time diverting attention in the same. This is what the right wing led Tory Government has done to the country. This is the reality, not the faux BS that the Daily Mail, Sun and Express media have been telling people they need to get worked up about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,183 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Sure. Antifa and black panthers are just "activists" and they were coming from annual paintball picnic hence the guns on the pictures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,183 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Yup.

    Facts - there is climate change.

    Evidence - oh look flooded car and forest fire.

    Solution - Just stop oil (apart from superglue as that is important activist tool)

    Simple things for simple minds...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Well that, and the thousands of scientists who have produced mountains of data to link these topics.

    Let's not pretend that that doesn't exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Recent heavy defeats for Conservatives in the US led to calls that people under 21 not be allowed to vote.

    This is the situation in the UK.

    The fact that young people (as old) can use other forms of ID for voting is not the point, this is clear age based discrimination that someone has made a conscious decision to implement. The question should be asked, why would it be made more difficult for a particular demographic to be able to vote?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    And more sinister activities from the US.

    This is from November 2022. In a region (New England) that elected 0 Republicans to the US House in last weeks election, and yet literal Nazi's are marching the streets. Trumpism got a kick in the teeth last week, it has a way to go yet before it is dealt with completely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    About 14 individuals.

    The end of times is surely here.

    The faux outrage and intentional blinkered bias vision is boring at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    What law are they breaking ? Take it up with the legislators. I think it's perfectly legal to be a nazi type in the Good old uSof A Great part is I don't live there. 🤐



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    'Intentional blinkered bias' he says, presumably with a straight face. 🤣

    These are fcuking Nazi's. Self avowed. What, you think they were walking around looking for a late Halloween party.

    Weren't you one of the people on another thread this past week adamant that Ron DeSantis isn't a Nazi? Why take that approach there if there's nothing wrong with being such?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    DeSantis  is not a nazi and Again it's legal in the USA I don't live there so don't have to deal with that reality. What law are they breaking I will wait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I'm not one of the people who is only concerned about Nazi's on the street when they are explicitly braking the law. You obviously are.

    An interesting position.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    No it's not an interesting position. The USA has plenty of stupid laws. Are we suggesting I support them ? If they were breaking the law and got shot which is generally what happens in the USA I would not care one jot. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. If you live in the USA then that needs to be taken up with the legislators. Ofc not attacking the poster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    I'd be more worried about communists tbh.

    Are you only concerned about Nazis or do you have a pyramid of threats to work from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Is disagreeing with a poster and assuming their position based on clear points in their post attacking them now?

    This is a discussion Board, clues in the name.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    There was a full stop meaning the poster I'm replying too.

    Edit. Just to add it's a pain to try and put user names in. Sorry for the confusion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I'm concerned about those seeking to sow hatred and animosity, particularly those who are expressly doing this while simultaneously expressing support for politicians who could very possibly be the next President or others who hold very influential positions in state and national legislatures.

    I saw a video clip of two 'MAGA' supporters before the US elections last week saying that if they lost that election series, that they think a civil war is needed in the US to reclaim it from liberals. We've seen former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn say similar.

    Former George Bush administration member Karl Rove said yesterday that the reaction to a special counsel being appointed to look in to Trump could lead to violence. Every instance of this, where groups such as these, look to intimate people, or gain support should be called out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    You say you are concerned so I'm wondering if you have taken any action against these people. Apart from the thread.

    Or are you being dramatic and sensationalist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is straight out of the 'Why doesn't Greta stfu unless she has all the answers laid out in a clear costed plan which will not impact us in the slightest to implement.' playbook.

    It also makes it clear you think people who have an issue with Nazis being Nazi's in public are being dramatic and sensationalist.

    Post edited by Tell me how on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    It's a snappy play book title no doubt.

    I do think on this occasion that the drama and sensationalism is unnecessary.

    Wheres the drama and outrage when communists spent the best part of a year wrecking portland every weekend?

    It's selective and biased sensationalism

    Post edited by Tonesjones on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    On Fox, Breitbart, Dailywire, NY Post, infowars etc, etc, etc.

    Or on the BLM thread on here.

    I just woke up to news of 5 more dead, several injured and hundreds traumatized because of an attack at a gay nightclub in Colorado that police have called a hate crime. That event, and your post, is this thread title demonstrated in a nutshell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Firblog


    From the OP

    I am quite content with a policy of Finlandisation as regards Ukraine

    So you support them joining Nato? Wouldn't have expected it tbh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Terrible evil tragedy. It also brings back memories of the 2016 mass shooting event at a gay nightclub in Florida where 50 people lost their lives.

    Don't think the police have labelled it as anything yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,993 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    No surprise Lauren Boebert deleted this tweet in the wake of the tragedy.

    There's a straight line between the hatred spewed from a particular section of conservatives and many of these events.

    There's also some stories starting to spread about the individual involved in this incident which if true, will only increase the pain of those injured and the friends and families of those who lost people last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,183 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    OK, now I knw how strong do you feel about American Nazis. I am curious how do you feel about European Nazis?



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