I have a liver issue but want to workout and move to a vegan diet. Is this advisable?

I Corps wrote: »

Might be embarassing to say but I don't have a GP...

I Corps wrote: »

My mother is a nurse and advised me the same and my brother also said that sugar is a major culprit. Do you know if consuming fish is okay though? I also did up my veg and fruit consumption.


And by exercise, do you also mean anaerobic exercise like lifting weights, or just aerobic one like running?

cormie wrote: »

Catmaniac, a quick video with some helpful info here on that:

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/donating-blood-to-prevent-cancer/

Not a reliable source by any stretch of the imagination. Another junk science merchant like Dr Oz, Mercola and Mike Adams to name just a few.

Hi I Corps. Did you go and stay vegan?

A vegan diet that's done properly can be perfectly healthy. Veganism goes beyond just the diet. What's extreme is factory farming and unnecessarily killing animals.

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"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. Vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements."

I advised him not go on a vegan diet because of his liver issue. If they want's to go on a vegan diet when it's sorted that's up to them. Going on a vegan diet now is complicating things.

As for the rest I'll say this: There is no vegan diet that is healthier that my diet which is 30% meat/dairy and the rest is Vegan! A vegan diet can only be as healthy or less healthy, not more healthy. The rest has to do with the environment and that's irrelevant here.

"30% meat/dairy" -- That's a lot of saturated fat & cholesterol.

Who's to say that a vegan diet can't be healthier than yours?

Best to look at statements from the worlds leading dietetic associations on vegan diets rather than posts on a forum. They all agree a well planned vegan diet is perfectly adequate for all stages of life including infancy, pregnancy and old age, and can help prevent common diseases.

This video has some great advice on the exact issue, you can either pass it off as vegan propaganda as spouted by some users here, or pay attention to the studies and advice:

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-best-diet-for-fatty-liver-disease-treatment/

Lot's of FUD.

Not a single citation.

It's not too hard to cut back on high oxalate foods.

I've never heard a doctor tell people to cut back on their veggies.

Regarding the workout.. obviously seek doctors advice but the opinion of medical experts regarding exercising and liver problems seems to favour doing moderate regular exercise…

programs such as www.exwell.ie and others facilitate organised indoor classes that are medically supervised… might be worth a look.

they first require a letter from your GP to attend though so they will truly evaluate your suitably.

Group of people for one or the other reason voting for veg only diet vs. group of scientists both saying the opposite. Would you believe facts based on scientific data or group of people making statements?

Sorry disregard that.

Who the hell eats a "veg only diet"?

1cent, you seriously think that veg is not healthy? What utter nonsense.

Eat your greens.

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It's funny how you ignored the comment directly above mine, a delusional claim that vegetables aren't healthy.

Saying 'fact' doesn't make it so. Sources please. Also, diets varied depending on what parts of the planet humans were on.

Who says the human body works better on meat (and not "meet" as you continually mistype)? So it seems you also dismiss human-caused climate change? I don't think there's any reasoning with you.

Perhaps go and live in a cave like a true caveman and eat raw meat like a true carnivore. Or you could evolve.

You seem to be getting veg and plants mixed up. Who eats veg as a primary source in their diet?

Veg is healthy - it's common knowledge - do a search online and you'll see (here's a start - https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/5-a-day/why-5-a-day). As I mentioned before, I don't think there's any reasoning with you.

What other crap do you believe? Are you against vaccines, a flat Earther, a believer in chemtrails, etc?

So you reckon yourself to be an apex predator? Why not live like a true stone-age man then? Kill animals yourself, eat them raw and go live in a cave.

Million years, humans evolve on animal base diet using ketones as prime energy source. And you can see majority of kids intuitively hate vegetables because it's not a prime food source. As a result of evolution carbs become non essential food source. The human body can produce enough glucose from fat and certain aminos.

Some veg ok, but for the most part vegetables are not healthy name a few you think is healthy? And please don't post links written by anonymous author it just someone else opinion.

The old appeal to nature fallacy. Why don't you live so just like our ancestors did for millions of years?

Yet people on vegan diets can thrive (I do). What's that, some kind of miracle?

Carbs are the ideal energy source.

Who says the majority of kids hate veg? Those that do are probably getting poorly made dinners.

Kids love sweets though so by your thinking, they should just eat sweets instead of veg.

Carbs are non-essential you say? This gets crazier by the minute.

I can't think of any veg that isn't healthy so naming the healthy ones would take forever. But my favorites are broccoli, cabbage, carrots, onions, spinach, spuds, etc.

You said "for the most part vegetables are not healthy" -- do you not realize how insane that statment is?

Of course there's experiments and studies showing the health benefits of vegetables. This topic has ventured into the absurd and I think more into good science vs bad science territory rather than vegan vs non vegan discussion.

I have already mentioned nasty broccoli above. Well Spinach is high in oxalates, and their excess intake over a period may lead to the formation of kidney stones. In elderly spinach cause blood clot and heart attack.

To be continued ...

Good for you in saying that veg is healthy.

I was calling out 1cent on their bs, insinuating that veg isn't healthy.