Tesla Model Y

@ELM327 - "M3SR (2022 LFP 60kWh) is a 300km motorway range car all day. 325 km probably if you drove right down to 0"

Same as a pre-facelift Model S 85 (with almost 80kWh battery). Which has about the same very low Cd. And at constant motorway speeds, weight makes very little difference

So the difference between these cars is mostly the efficiency of the drivetrain, which comes to live a lot more in real world driving than in the official driving cycle in a laboratory.

Can't wait until someone drives a Kia EV6 77kWh, VW ID.4 82kWh and Tesla Model Y 60kWh side by side at 120km/h until they run out. Wouldn't be surprised if the longest range of these cars was in the opposite order of their battery sizes

Theres over 60km below 0 in the new model 3.

Avoid motorway means avoid motorway speed. 100 is not motorway speed. I drive a 220km round trip at least once a week (dublin to wexford) and fooked if I'm driving that at 100km/h. It takes long enough already, I could do without the ignominy of having to drive my EV so slowly that it gets overtaken by buses!

Of course you get more range if you drive slower. We all know that. However the highway range quoted on EVDB is supposed to be at motorway speeds.

I have to say I'm getting a bit soft on my Model Y order. All these dire range predictions on a 455km WLTP car have me spooked.

I do a few regular Irish runs that are 350-400kms round trip and one UK run that is 550kms one way. In the ID.3 Tour I easily do the 350-400km Irish runs without charging and usually arrive home with around 10-20% to spare. These runs are motorway heavy, but I mostly stay at the speed limits. It was a good bit tighter in the eNiro, but doable without a charge, albeit at slightly reduced speed.

On the UK run it is nearly all motorway, but is mainly driven at 130kph, just keeping up with the traffic (at one point including an unmarked UK traffic police car 😄) I need a single 15 minute splash and dash to get to my destination with about 60kms to spare. It was the same with the Niro, but the splash and dash was more of a 40 minute full charge affair and arriving with 40kms. The Ioniq 28 was a 3 stop pain in the ass. On the UK run, time is precious. More time spent charging means less time with family on the arrival day and leaving earlier on departure day.

I've used some of the figures online and here to try to make the UK trip a single stop in the Model Y, but it seems to be a minimum 2 stops needed. ABRP shows one 25 minute and one 35 minute stop. The Irish runs look like they would need a stop as well.

I love the tech in the Tesla, I could just about live with the look, but the backward step in range for my use case is a bit of a bridge too far. The range seems to be worse than the 2019 eNiro. I know that the Niro has a 64kWh battery, but you would think that the much vaunted efficiency of the Tesla would at least make up the difference.

I expect some flak from staunch Tesla sect, but I'd prefer if you could show me how the Model Y could fit into my use case.

Did a 120km trip in My Audi Q4 (battery) 77KWh earlier this morning (1-3 deg C, still air). 95% motorway 120kph temp set to 18 deg. Range worked out at 275km

did return journey this evening (10deg C still air)and effective range worked out at 330km .

In the summer motorway range (120kph) works out at about 380km.

WLTP range of car is 525km. Pottering around during the summer gets upto 450km range.

Conclusion:

EV’s don’t like cold weather

EV’s don’t like motorway speed.

ill assume the MY RWD will have similar figures at motor way speed due to low drag coefficient and heat pump.

WLTP

“WLTP runs for longer, covering 23.25km at an average speed of 46.5km/h, while its rotation of low, medium, high and extra-high-speed cycles see the cars being tested hitting a peak speed of 131km/h,”

My ID is coming up on 2 years old. That's when I like to change my cars. If VW could provide the same car as a replacement, it would top the list. To be fair, a chunk of the motorway on the regular routes is M50, so 100kph... or 5kph, depending on the time of day.

I did have some serious teething troubles with the ID when new, but since the replacement of a handful of modules then, it has been a joy to own. I just had the OTA update over the weekend and the software is a bit better. Still not great, but better.

Triggered much? 😂😂 I've seen queues at Tesla Membury so it's not all roses. Not long queues though just 2 cars waiting just a few minutes until a stall comes available.

None of what you point out leads to a single stop UK drive. ABRP shows 2 supercharger stops for the Y, total charging time of 45 minutes. If you take into account the time to slow, park and then roll out to full speed X2, it'll be more. ABRP for the ID.3 is 12 minute stop at Ionity Chippenham on the M4. One slowdown, one park and one roll out to speed.

This reminds me of a famous poster who took 8 seconds to put petrol into his PHEV. No mention of time spent getting to the pump, paying and returning to the road he had to leave. 😄

I'll probably end up keeping the ID.3 for another year and see what the Chinese are offering then. There are a few promising cars coming up from there.

Yep, Irish ferries Rosslare to Pembroke. There are a few supercharger points on M4 to London. Sarn Park, Membury, Reading and South Mimms on the M25 around London, with a few more just off the main line. As pointed out above, two longish stops seem to be unavoidable against one 12 minute Ionity stop in the VW. I leave home at 100% charge, but have 44kms to drive to Rosslare.

Strangely enough, I've never taken note of the % battery I leave Pembroke Dock with. Maybe because up to now I had to go hunting in menus to find the % charge. Since the OTA update it's on the dash screen. Much handier.

Not a blue Y but a white with white seats ordered on 11th November.

But I normally change a car because it needs new wiper blades. 😂

Dammit, now I'm gonna have to buy a set of tyres. I haven't had to do that in many years. 😆

ID.4 77kWh got 370km on this 70mph range test but weather was probably ideal. Even if you knocked off 50km to allow for winter weather, it would still be at 320km.

https://insideevs.com/reviews/527734/volkswagen-id4-pro-70mph-range-test/

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Cannot answer your questions re model y. As you know I have a model 3 rwd lfp.

I find the model 3 has similar efficiency and range in the warmer weather and in slower roads as my previous 58kWh Id3. But the Tesla is significantly better at motorway speeds and cold weather. Your 77kWh should be much better than the model3/Y in most conditions.

in September I did a run down to London and home via Birmingham. Never even thought about charging. Just navigated to Suc and then used the cheaper Gridserve🤣. Never worried about speed and roads were a pleasure on the day of Queens funeral.

Lovely cars to drive, but everything so simple and just works. Build quality up there with VW now, imo