Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Scholz-

Pointless? - it could save Ukrainian lives & infrastructure

There's only one possible downside and that's probably unlikely

Totally, many of them are "moral zombies" and only care because their excuse for a nation looks stupid on the world stage, not because of the torment being visited upon Ukraine.

You called NATO involvement "pointless" and you think that "removing a possible downside" makes it more pointless ????

Per the WaPO:

I assume that NATO/ Ukr know exactly where all/most of the Bombs/missiles are being launche d from. Would it make logical/technical political sense for Ukr to inform Russia that any missile launched from Russian soil as on and from 01/01/2023 that that spot and ,say, one kilometre radius around that spots will be immediately targeted with a view to knocking out that launcher. And, we , the Ukr army, will send you the information /photos to you ,The Ru, to prove that you, the Ru , did fire it.

Our reason for the retaliation is that we think that it is not right and very unfair of you to be hurting our private citizens , depriving them of water , heat, transport, etc.

you know where we are if you want to fight us

And feel free to contact us if you think our above action re retaliation is not justified and we will consider any suggestions made.

Nato are content giving arms and training to Ukraine, can't honestly see them wanting their troops on the ground. It would then be a war of Nato vs Russia. Russia wouldn't stand a chance in military terms. It would be a big risk with a madman with his finger on the button. America wants a weak Russia not a defeated Russia. Last thing Nato wants is Eastern Russia to fall to China. That would scare the **** out of Nato.

"no compelling reason or advantage"

Exactly, like I explained. 👍️

Turkey has the second biggest army in europe and probably from its location the second most important member of Nato, Turkey does have some Influence with russia were most other members don't. Can not aturkey being asked to leave Nato, Hungary maybe.

You've confused yourself, you didn't explain "pointless", you attributed the description (wrongly) to a situation.

To make my point easier to understand, I'll pose the following question -

Do you think the Ukrainians would consider direct NATO involvement pointless ?

Thought not !!!

The Russian military bots are being turned on major these past few days. Even our own Mick Wallace with his tweets.

They've been told the winter has set in and both sides will be just dug in trying to keep warm instead of attacking. The propaganda war online will now be kicked off big time. You can see it on other forums where unnamed users or those with fake Irish names are posting pro Russian spiel. I even saw one with an obviously stupid Irish username of a clip of a Wagner group on tiktok in an armoured troop carrier with an Irish jig played over the footage. I bet this probably was posted for every European country with their associated usernames and regional music included.

The talks for peace will grow louder from these groups. And it's not from concern for fellow man. But purely they want those responsible to get away with it. And getting away with it at the moment means Putin has achieved his goal of Nova Russia. The longer this goes on and next spring and year comes and fighting resumes means there's less chance of Nova Russia occurring and Putin being able to witness it.

But until then it's peace, peace, whilst missilling Ukraine from Russia itself and hoping Ukraine will have lost support from the European and US online population to somehow influence up the ladder. Going to be a long winter but longer for those in ukraine.

Tis painfully slow though. Nato should really be involved by now. Putin still getting away with it. Any right thinking individual or company should ostracise all Russian companies or individuals for at least the next generation over this.

Personally think Russia should be blown to high heaven over this but seemingly that's not going to happen. The best thing for Russia atm is everyone forgets the past year and goes back trading with the country. But then that makes one on a par with the rashist forces. And going by the online propaganda campaign in this country they're using the neutral card and refugee card. And some are falling for these fake Russian Irish accounts.

...long winter ahead....

Nothing pointless about NATO airpower. Just sticking to the south and not engaging anything in Russia would be a huge help and would save many Ukrainian lives.

Zelensky did add though that he thinks Ukraine are doing a good job of fighting back on social media and piercing through the wall of lies. It's by no means all bad news : the Russian terrorist state had a free run at things for around a decade with their global propaganda, but for the first time ever, it's coming under strong attack.