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If Russia invaded us in the morning, who would come to our aid?

  • 20-11-2022 8:14am
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    Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ... or would anyone? My opinion is no one would. There would be plenty of strong words and maybe weapons supplies but that would be it. Thoughts?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,842 ✭✭✭jackboy


    From what we have seen in Ukraine our defence forces and a few farmers would be more than enough to handle them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭rock22


    The UK would immediately . And our forces would almost certainly co-ordinate with them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Theres probably more chance of the vikings coming back than Putin sending an army our direction



  • Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why would they? It would trigger a nuclear war? And we aren't in NATO.



  • Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a thought experiment. I think it's unlikely too but then again the Ukraine war is unlikely. As is banning 52 Irish politicians by the Kremlin.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What about space aliens, Op? Who would save us from an invasion of space aliens?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    "...slain, after all man's devices had failed, by the humblest things that God, in his wisdom, has put upon this earth."

    H.G. Wells

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,861 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Russia seems to have a bee in their bonnet with us for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,732 ✭✭✭weisses


    I say Wallace and Daily



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,122 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Poland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    It would be the end of the world I’m sure. While we aren’t in NATO, do you really think NATO would want a Russian puppet in Western Europe? We are part of the EU as well so not entirely neutral when it comes down to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,661 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Light the beacons and Rohan will answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I think you need to review your opinion in light of evidence both historical and current.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Because we are one of the only western countries that doesn’t have a defence treaty with the United States, Have a woefully inadequate Defence Forces and are part of the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Because our main strategic interest is as a base from which to attack the UK. So there is at least a good chance the UK would want to dislodge them there first instead of waiting to be attacked.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The question is more: would it be allowed to get that far in the first place?

    The UK already has a presence in Ireland, an important factor to consider, so it would be default become an invasion of the UK too. In which case ... You can't ignore the geopolitical realities that caused this scenario though: I daresay if conditions became that strained Russia launched an invasion on the Republic, presumably NATO and Russia were already at war at this stage and Ireland an exposed rump into the UK.

    Maybe more likely in that apocalyptic scenario the UK and Ireland already arranged a defence pact, perhaps including a restoration of "Treaty Port" arrangements and the usage of Irish infrastructure. Maybe the UK marched into Ireland to shore up that rump. IIRC Churchill debates doing this in ww2, though could be misremembering; a lot was discussed back then



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Theyre actually incapable of invading Ireland. Thought experiment complete.


    Also we're on the list for EU common defense (csdp).

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,122 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Russia hasn't the means to supply its army on its own borders never mind in Ireland.

    There are 5 NATO carriers at sea in the European theater at the moment. Russia and China have none.

    Ireland is irrelevant.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Russia have no reason to invade us. It's akin to worrying that America might have invaded us next after they were done with Iraq, or Afghanistan.

    The notion that a country which invades another "must be stopped or they'll come for us next" is fantasist nonsense. People who point to Hitler as "proof" are basically telling you their knowledge of world history starts and ends with WWII.



  • Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Would he though? He just gave the Saudi crown prince immunity from prosecution for the Khassoggi murder after saying he would turn them into a pariah state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 943 ✭✭✭thegame983


    Could you imagine taking up arms to defend MM's right to rule us.



  • Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What evidence? The evidence all points to that they wouldn't. They could flatten out cities with missiles and drone strikes and have strongly worded statements in response.



  • Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's not the point of this thread though. It's a what if thread. It's why Finland and Sweden are scrambling to join NATO. They are under the very real threat of attack from Russia. Would the West do any more than they did for Ukraine if Russia attacked Finland - if people insist on being literal. This is a real possibility.

    Putin's stated goal is to recreate the former Soviet Union with Eastern European countries as vassal states. Ukraine is only the first domino.





  • I believe the UK would play a very strong part as we currently share the island with part of their terrain. They’d want to protect their own interests, and cooperation wouldn’t be short in coming under the worst circumstances.



  • Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Now this response makes sense. I could see this scenario.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    TBH nobody should come and they would be right to let us burn because we are happy to sit on the fence and do nothing with this neutrality crap.



  • Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But that's not the point. I'm actually surprised they bothered banning 54 Irish politicians or whatever it was. It's a real concern for Finland for example who are non NATO members, or even the Baltic States who are. Would the US or the NATO members retaliate? Germany would be very doubtful judging by their lukewarm response to help Ukraine.



  • Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And for those saying Russia couldn't mount an attack - they most certainly could with conventional ballistic missiles and drones. Again the Baltic States, Finland and the likes of Moldova are far more likely targets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    The evidence that they wouldnt in the first instance. It's completely impractical for them.

    The rational for countries not to put boots on the ground in the Russian Ukraine conflict is complex but you cannot say that Ukraine has not received massive international support........



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Even a What If scenario needs to have some basis in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,122 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Putin has been pulling stupid stunts like this for years. Because he's a bully and he like to beat his chest. Their armed forces never recovered from the breakup of the Soviet Union.

    It's only media obsessives and fantastists that give these "what ifs" any credibility.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    From history, armies invading Russia have suffered from logistical issues. Likewise Russia projection of force is very much tied to geographical constraints: i.e. neighbouring countries are most at risk. Hence the original question falls under unlikely scenario. The only major powers that seriously threatened intervention into Ireland occurred during WW2 and that was the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭b v


    Membership of NATO obliges you to assist other members. NATO has no rules forbidding members from assisting non-members.

    By your logic NATO members are breaking the rules by assisting Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,122 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Being disconnected from reality is common on these threads. Some people need to ease up on their media consumption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    If you think Russia won't be dropping VDV troops in over Donnybrook so we're grand then you're mental

    Russia cant rightly **** us over should they choose to

    It will start with destabilising us internally with Russian assets, say hello to Mick and Clare, say hello to hundreds of thousands of Lulu voting Brazillians, say hello to dissos and loyalists, every headbanger far left (with TDs) and far right party all being funded by Russian. Anything to stir up tension and mistrust in NI

    Then you'll have critical infrastructure being hacked or just taken out like our gas connectors or internet cables

    And the truth is they'd **** with us because we're the weakest and most easily accessbible link in Western Europe, plus they can indirectly **** with the UK through us.

    Neutrality was fine when we were a strategic afterthought and war between east and west was going to consist of the world ending with some massive flashes.

    Now, neutrality is putting our hand out to be slapped



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    If Russia did invade us the fellas on the "Russia thread" here would be paddling like fcuk on small boats and Lidl inflatables trying to reach safety in Canada LOL.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    This whole thread is based on a lack of basic information.

    There are huge holes in your general knowledge related to the questions.that youre asking.

    Youd be better off doing some research on the countries and institutions which you have used in your imaginary scenario. As the underlying assumptions are way off.

    Your questions are full of false assumptions.

    For one thing Finland is tooled up like a motherfvcker, with a huge national reserve force. And the east of Finland is largely made up of a bazillion small forrested islands and lakes, often at -20c with dense snow. Its probably top 5 for uninvadeable places.

    So the "real possibility" is Russia getting the slap of its life.

    Finland is EU, so it is "the west".

    Yes you could expect a response many times greater than that in Ukraine, as Finland is part of EU common defense and security policy.

    The Ukraine response is pretty fcking effective, tens of billions poured in, and Ukraine is just a third party country.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nighttime22


    The UK would absolutely declare and join the fight as soon as they announced they were attacking Ireland followed soon after by the US.

    The US would use the UK and Shannon as a staging base and they d obliterate any attacking Russian force with ease.

    They could literally sit there swatting away Russian attacks with ease as Russia doesn't have the power projection to attack Ireland.

    They would eventually just have to give up and leave Ireland alone.





  • The women and foreigners will be first out the door



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    Ya reckon if Russia managed to take the entire of Ukraine that it would stop there ? (as unlikely as that seems)

    Every country east of Berlin has been threatened in the same way that Ukraine was before it was invaded.

    If your claiming an understanding of history beyond or before ww2 or even the natur of despots and bully's you should understand that when they take something and no one opposes them they will take more and more until some one does.

    appeasement cost many millions of lives during ww2 and ww1 and set civilization as a whole back about 100 years.

    its a policy of cowards fools and purchased stooges like wallace and daly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Look,

    The russians COULD wipe out any nation the size of Ireland with a couple of nucleur ICBMs.

    The same as the yanks or any nation capable of nucluer weaponry.

    Doesn't mean it will ever happen - again - for a multitude of reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,982 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I'd change my profile picture to include a tricolour, that would help I think.



  • Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why are so many people answering this with "it's completely impractical and unlikely?" That's not the point. The question is a political what if not a logistics what if. Jesus. If I asked in some other forum "what if your wife cheated on you" and people started answering "my wife would never cheat she is faithful" might be factually correct but would be a pretty pointless and useless answer.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Politically the yanks would likely intervene,with the Irish American demographic holding some sway still,can only imagine healy-rae type character in every hill and glen halting russian advances with javelin rocket launchers




    Practically Russia wouldn't bother with Ireland or the UK,neither are massively important on the world stage, particularly in a post brexit world and could be simply left cut off from the world.... ala those avoz blokes in that steel plant



  • Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well thanks for the condescending reply but as I've pointed out several times now this was not a logistics question but a political one. I'm well aware of Finland's military capability.

    The only part of your answer that actually went anywhere near answering my question was something vague about the EU common defence and security policy. Good luck with that. Ireland are part of that too - are you saying they would send troops / air power in the event of a Russian invasion? I very much doubt it. The Brits would be our only hope IMO.



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