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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,843 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    It's one of the factors, it's not as big a factor as the increased cost of building properly but its still a factor



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Is everybody who disagrees with you a K*****r? Are all unemployed people k*****rs?

    Utterly cretinous post.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Uproar in a town near me. Local school has changed their admission policy so that having a sibling in the school has been moved from highest to lowest admission category. The highest category is now just living in the town which all the newly arrived refugees qualify for. Kids who live in the outlying areas and who have siblings in the school are put on waiting lists. Of course no one will go on record and say why the policy was changed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Well I would assume anywhere in Ireland having siblings in the school puts you as a priority so no reason not to take your word for it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,841 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's the government's job to build enough housing and infrastructure to cope with a growing population (Ireland's population has been consistently growing year on year since the 1970s). Blaming housing or accommodation shortages on people themselves and saying "there are too many of them" seems a bit off.

    The UK anti-immigration guys have been shouting "Britain is full" for years and yet we're hearing of literally millions of UK job vacancies and severe damage being done to their economy as there is nobody available to do the work.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    This type of thing fits perfectly with what the Dems are pushing in the US, the need for "equity" based on critical race theory. It works like this: The newcomers are at a disadvantage because they don't have siblings in the school.

    So, in order for there to be "equity", the locals must be deliberately disadvantaged in favour of the newcomers. If we don't agree, its evidence of inherent racism in the system by the privileged majority against a vulnerable minority.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,482 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Policy probably changed when they got a call from their local TD/TD’s … and the word funding was mentioned.

    a lot of board of management members in schools, certainly the one I was in have ties to the political people and parties.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The UK seems like a right mess as regards shortages of workers, was reading during the week about migrant workers that were recruited to come and pick fruit and veg in the UK being told that there is no work for them (visas were delayed because of Ukraine so they arrived later than scheduled) https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/13/seasonal-fruit-pickers-left-thousands-in-debt-after-being-sent-home-early-from-uk-farms

    The UK has benefitted from years of cheap abundant labour pre Brexit and so hasn't automated unlike most other western countries https://transformindustry.com/sensors/uks-low-automation-and-robotics-use-makes-it-20th-most-productive-nation-claims-report/

    Ireland similarly hasn't automated that much but doesn't really have that much manufacturing either so its less acute here.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The only people in the UK and elsewhere who benefit from cheap labour are a very small minority of business owners and 1 percenters, landlords and rentier types. It is far more important to have housing freely available than to cram a country with people so we can get cheap takeaways.

    Uber drivers or accommodation? Whats more important?

    The recent video at East Wall shows, at best cheap labour. At worst welfare scroungers. These people should be lower down the priority list than genuine Ukrainian refugees



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Natural population growth is relatively easy to predict. The birth and fertility rate remains fairly constant year-over-year. The Irish population has grown naturally by 25K to 40K annually throughout the last three decades. Certainly the government should be providing housing and infrastructure to support that growth.

    Can you explain how the government should be building contingency to deal with an unexplained spike in hundreds of single men arriving into this country with spurious backstories and in some cases, destroyed documentation? Should the government throw up tower blocks to accommodate them? Shipping containers?

    The fact that you posit that these people are the solution to labor shortages is laughable. I suggest you evaluate the videos of the individuals parachuted into East Wall. Are these truly the caliber of people who should be arriving here, with a severe recession looming?

    Part of the government’s job is also to maintain the integrity of the borders of this country. It’s about time they executed on that responsibility, no?



  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,277 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    In fairness, this is going to become policy soon anyway. Politicians, Parent Councils, Ombudsman for Children, etc, have all called for it a year ago




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    If you don't give a hoot what people think, why are you here?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    What is the actual benefit for allowing 100,000's of unskilled people into a country.

    Is it just for people to work low paid jobs?

    These people aren't idiots, not everyone of course but a huge cohort do and it's plain as day to see, they game the system, work on sites, deliveries, taxi's, beg in gangs, and all take cash into the claw while claiming their dole. They even send huge amounts of this money out of the country back to the homeland which has been shown in reports over the years.

    Even working full time in a minimum wage job which everyone says the Irish won't do they have to be subsidised to the hilt, with housing, medical cards, extra family payments for low income, children's allowance for those that have kids, education. Everything and anything.

    Somebody on minimum wage pays about 1500 in all taxes a year into the pot. Yes they pay vat on stuff like food and goods or whatever.

    But then they they receive tens of thousands in state welfare subsidies which far outweigh what's going in.

    So what is the actual gain for the country? I'm lost.

    What gain do the government envisage for the future that I can't



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,277 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Cllr Nial Ring, who attended the protest in East Wall, said the lack of consultation with the local community had caused a lot of anger.  he believed the asylum seekers being moved to the accommodation were not recent arrivals to Ireland and that they had been moved to Dublin from other parts of the country and that Government policy in this area was causing a lot of disquiet




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Are these people coming into the country claiming to be Ukrainian? I wonder how many years it takes to prove somebody from Africa or South Asia is not from Ukraine.

    The legal folk must be creaming themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Anyone know who "Gateway Integration Ltd" are running the ESB site? can't find any company information for them anywhere.

    EDIT: It's ok found them, They only started trading 26 days ago, Some luck for that company landing a huge contract in less than 4 weeks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Yep, now if you could find out who is behind them and what connections they have I’m sure you will find some interesting facts.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    I'd stick my house on it that the address connected to it is a Virtual Business Office. Just somewhere to register the name and if you went there you'd find nothing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,277 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I don't give a hoot about the opinion of people trying to chummy-up the appearance of far right "replacement theory" f*ckwads as "genuine community concerns", and if they think I'm lying about refugees being in proximity to me.

    So you can post your glib posts, but then again you know exactly where I'm coming from before you hit post.

    Your move...



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,229 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Somebody on minimum wage pays about 1500 in all taxes a year into the pot. Yes they pay vat on stuff like food and goods or whatever.

    But then they they receive tens of thousands in state welfare subsidies which far outweigh what's going in.

    So everyone who works a minimum wage job is minted?

    What's all the complaining about so?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Fair play to the people of East Wall. Every community in Ireland needs to follow their lead and get out on the streets when the government try to foist this upon them. Its the only thing that works.

    The government works for us, not for the EU, not for woke traitorous NGOs. It’s time to remind them of that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    It's pretty clear what's written. Nobody's minted.

    If we only want them for the low paid jobs, what they put in to the pot doesn't and will never come close to what they get back whether it's through direct or indirect means. So what's the benefit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    What do you make of the brainmelt who linked getting his car seized because he was driving around without insurance to refugees? The replacement theory spanner? The corpulent gam on the livestream who attempted to paint the people in the centre as sex offenders?

    Is that all "fair play" as well?

    Don't be shy now...



  • Registered Users Posts: 360 ✭✭sekiro


    If there was some kind of clear and obvious benefit or reason for all this then the government would just explain it and people wouldn't just resort to the tired old accusations of racism etc.

    These folks are being brought in to immediately enter the social welfare/benefits system. As that industry grows I am sure there will be plenty of opportunity for business to make a load of money by providing services etc but the actual people themselves are not going to be getting decent jobs and probably will not even find themselves in low paying jobs either. What is it people say about Facebook and Twitter etc? That the users ARE the product? I think something similar is happening here. 80 single males shipped into East Wall? Does anyone seriously believe that they are going to find decent jobs? Even if it's just working the tills at the local supermarket or Mcdonalds? They won't.

    That's not their fault. We offer them a pathway out of an already bad situation to come here and then basically be handed money to stay out of the way. They aren't going to be getting good jobs and any support they do receive will be minimal. They are probably at risk of being tied up in illegal activities and some may not even have the choice.

    There's no benefit to the asylum seekers themselves. No work. No prospects. That's not a good way to live for anyone. Only the people running the organizations that are set up to "help" them are seeing any kind of good outcome. Plenty of jobs created for people who want to "help" but of course those jobs would disappear if we were able to get the asylum seekers in and integrated and into decent work and paying taxes etc.

    Maybe a scarier possibility is that our government is just incompetent to an extreme level. Eventually the sh*t will hit the fan and it will be the refugees etc who will suffer first and most. We might complain that it's our taxpayer money being misused or whatever but at least for locals with good family ties and so on there's a chance to improve your situation or at least to lessen the impact when it all goes horribly wrong. Which it will. No amount of people banging on about racism or anything else can change the fact that flooding an area with people who can't work, who have no prospects and who need to be given some pocket money to sustain a pretty miserable existence is eventually going to end in disaster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Busloads of single men from MENA and subsaharan Africa are now Ukrainian women and children.

    Usual spectacularly ill-informed nonsense from that ‘contributor’..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    It's not that hard, unless the New-Not-Irish are showing up with houses on their backs then they're adding to the housing crisis

    Same with services like schools, hospitals etc.



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