Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Here's a mad thought, Russia can separate itself from Ukraine by turning around and going home.

The longer this goes on the more I get annoyed about people who try to paint Ukraine as the bad guys. Whatever about all these crimes that both sides are supposed to have carried out in the past.

Lets look at the current situation, we have a country with innocent civilians freezing and struggling due to an aggressive neighbour bombarding and destroying its energy infrastructure daily. So i don't really care about what Ukrainians are supposed to have done in the past. Lets deal with tha present and to that end there is only one country that is the problem.

who are you more inclined to support?

The war started when Russia sent troops into Ukraine. They did that long before 2021. Read the Budapest agreement. Tell us why Ukraine should have any faith in Russian promises.

If Russia was willing to compromise they wouldnt have invaded Ukraine and tried to take Kyiv. They wouldnt have fought a war of atrocity against civilians in Ukraine which gurantees Ukranian people will despise them for generations.

Ukraine has done very poorly out of the war. Yes thats what happens when you are invaded in an unprovoked attack.

Need to make sure they dont do very poorly out of the peace and that it is a lasting peace which leaves Ukraine safe from future Russian aggression - not merely a truce. Not another Budapest.

If you read the accounts of D-Day and the months after, there were reports of the Allies summarily executing German prisoners (read up on the Chenogne massacre for example). Bad stuff happens in wartime, it's part and parcel of the territory.

How do you propose we separate them and stop the fighting?

What's corruption got to do with it. Corruption happens mainly at the highest levels of society and the little guy is just along for the ride. You have millions of ordinary Ukrainians with no involvement in corruption who have had their lives turned upside down, displaced, family and friends murdered, children raped or kidnapped and you're "inclined to support Ukraine". Only very sick individuals have any inclination to support Russia.

Corruption entwines everyone in a state like Russia. You'll be left destitute if you don't parttake or viewed as trouble maker if you try to be righteous. It's a way of life in most 3rd world countries but it's super changed in Russia

If Ukraine was as corrupt as the criminal fascist state known as the Russian Federation, why would the EU, the US and Canada, Australia etc be so anxious to help them?

And please don't come back with any "proxy war" hyperbole as your response. If the West or NATO wanted to square up once and for all to the Russian / Putin dictatorship militarily or politically, they could do so directly and wouldn't even need the excuse of a proxy war in Ukraine to do it.

Once again I have to question your links.

Russia is the leader in online disinformation and propaganda so forgive me for been suspicious….

Here’s a solution if you don’t want these alleged abuses to happen comrade.

Take your invasion army out of a sovereign country.

Until you don’t, tough luck…

Oh and tell your comrades in the Embassy in Dublin , Slava Ukraine …