Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

py2006 · 13-09-2022 5:41am

There is also some speculation/concern that they are gonna do a Rey Skywalker > Luke Skywalker or the "things have moved on" thing with James Bond job with this with one of the female castings

pixelburp · 13-09-2022 8:55am

BTW, just for those who hadn't seen Captain Marvel, this video shows some moments that I'm speaking of. Honestly, it was the first time I stopped "noticing" the de-ageing of the actor and accepted I was watching a mid-40s version of Samuel L Jackson.

Now, what probably helped here is Jackson has aged phenomenally well, so the artists had less to tweak than other actors who have aged more obviously in places, such as Michael Douglas or Robert DeNiro etc. And in the same movie, Clark Gregg looked a little fake and rubbery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09djC_ZRD_8

pixelburp · 09-11-2022 11:01am

Don't anyone pretend they didn't see this coming: the service does seem precision engineered to lazily recycle old IPs with "legacy prequels", new series and so on ...

Disney is actively looking to develop an Indiana Jones TV show for Disney+, Variety has learned exclusively from sources.

The Mouse House and Lucasfilm have specifically been bringing up the possibility of a streaming show set in the world of the globe trotting archaeologist in general meetings with writers of late, sources say. They are still looking for a writer to take on the project, thus no plot details are available. Given that, it is unknown if a series would serve as a prequel to or spinoff of the film franchise, or if it would tie into the upcoming fifth Indiana Jones film, similar to how Disney has tied its Marvel shows on Disney+ into the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The move to potentially develop an Indiana Jones show comes as Harrison Ford has stated he is done playing the character after the fifth film, which is due out in 2023. In addition, sources say Disney is currently exploring a number of options to keep the franchise going, which could mean a series, new films, other media, or a combination thereof.

Reps for Lucasfilm declined to comment.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/indiana-jones-series-disney-plus-1235416179/

09-11-2022 11:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119852390#Comment_119852390

Well, I wouldn't not watch it 😁

Agent Coulson · 09-11-2022 11:37am

This already happened 30 years ago.

Even young Indy himself Sean Patrick Flanery would probabaly be to old to play Indy now.

He turned 57 last month.

silverharp · 09-11-2022 11:52am

I cant imagine the film doing very well, off the back of that why would they green light a tv series?

Tony EH · 09-11-2022 12:00pm

Because Disney is all over the bloody place.

pixelburp · 09-11-2022 12:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119852543#Comment_119852543

I suspect the angle will be a spin-off, knowing recasting Indy himself would be a precarious option. On the other hand, set photos have indicated there's to be some kind of Flashback set-piece, so maybe they will - and already have recast.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119852635#Comment_119852635

Devil's Advocate but their tactic of releasing (legacy) sequel after sequel seems to be doing well at Disney+: Hocus Pocus 2, Disenchanted, Willow, Home Alone X, etc. etc. I don't get the impression any have flopped or underperformed for them. It was only a matter of time.

silverharp · 09-11-2022 12:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119852657#Comment_119852657

if they stick to their knitting, recycling kids content that can be remade every 10 years or so for the next generation of kids? seems like their wheelhouse.

Tony EH · 09-11-2022 1:18pm

@pixelburp

Devil's Advocate but their tactic of releasing (legacy) sequel after sequel seems to be doing well at Disney+: Hocus Pocus 2, Disenchanted, Willow, Home Alone X, etc. etc. I don't get the impression any have flopped or underperformed for them. It was only a matter of time.

Perhaps. But their over all approach seems to be terribly scattershot.

As to an Indy TV series being "only a matter of time", well that's lamentably true. I cannot see it being anywhere near satisfying personally. Mind you, my Indiana Jones begins and ends with the first two movies so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

pixelburp · 09-11-2022 4:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119852888#Comment_119852888

Ah well we've covered the point of your incorrect opinion about Last Crusade 🤣

I'm resigned to an Indy TV series because I always knew it was coming; there was no way Disney could resist the urge to squeeze the nostalgia out of another of their many IPs - this film included, even if I've been fairly open-minded about it. I don't have the energy to be angry anymore.

MisterAnarchy · 09-11-2022 6:15pm

I wonder how much of Ford will actually be in the new film and how much will be cgi/stunt double ?

I forgot about the new Willow series, had a look at the trailer, perhaps I'd have been better off not, it looks very poor.

silverharp · 10-11-2022 9:49am

According to rumors they have multiple endings but all involve Indie dies and Wally Bridge becomes Indie for the tv series, also the test screenings are awful. So one sht show of a movie for next year lol

SuperBowserWorld · 10-11-2022 9:51am

Disney+

Indy-

Agent Coulson · 10-11-2022 9:59am

I see Boyd Holbrook is in this he could be a decent Indy going forward in a series.

pixelburp · 10-11-2022 10:17am

The "rumours" sound more like attempts to drum up viral outrage TBH. Easy clicks knowing how weirdly triggered some are by Phoebe Waller-Bridge

Especially considering even Variety hadn't a single hard-fact about the proposed TV series.

silverharp · 10-11-2022 10:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119856178#Comment_119856178

it can be fun to see how they track, you cant make a large movie without a hundred or so people knowing more or less everything so it would be weird if there were never any

11-11-2022 12:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119856099#Comment_119856099

Star Wars/Bond Spoiler below - don't know how to do spoiler tags in new system...

I wonder if HF did the same as he did with Han Solo, I'll do one more movie if the character is killed off. This is becoming all the more common with Daniel requesting the same.

conorhal · 17-11-2022 2:27pm

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Yeah, they really need to stop pandering to actors that hate the characters they portray. Ford was at the same shtick back in '80 and Lucas had to tell him th STFU and leave the writing to the writers.

As for the Disney plus series, the rumor is that the focus will be on Abner Ravenwood and his students..... AKA another Disney show that pulls a bait and switch that teases a fanbase with the return of a beloved character only to make the title character a debased supporting role in their own story like The Book of Boba Fett etc. Personally I won't be watching, fool me once and all that.

Agent Coulson · 17-11-2022 2:43pm

I wouldn't be surprised to see the trailer drop next week for Thanksgiving.

Muller1991 · 17-11-2022 5:20pm

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If not then I would say Superbowl.

breezy1985 · 17-11-2022 5:33pm

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Cant see her sign up for something like that unless maybe its a very limited series. She doesn't seem the type to get tied down with long term projects.

She wrapped up Fleabag when she could have kept milking and didn't stay on for the terrible milking of Killing Eve.

pixelburp · 18-11-2022 1:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119886535#Comment_119886535

Well yeah; that's the other thing for sure. Waller-Bridge by precedent hasn't been the type to stay tied down with any one project: her departure after season 1 of Killing Eve was really felt, the overall quality went immediately downwards (heck I never bothered with that last season just gone). If Solo is anything to go by, she's doing this as a wheeze and something to gain a bit more traction & favour in Hollywood. Why not!

She is however, one of those totally coincidentally female figures like Kathleen Kennedy where simply invoking their name is enough to get a slew of clicks and angry comments on a given YouTube Channel. Heck we can see here the rumour-mill has already moved onwards to the show being an Abner Ravenwood spin-off.

On a related'ish note, I see we're also getting a National Treasure Disney+ show ... which looks to be a spin-off and only tangentially related to the Nicholas Cage version. I keep snarking it, but Disney keep proving its service is nothing more than a regurgitation of IPs.

Fred Astaire · 18-11-2022 2:01pm

She was at least partly responsible for an absolutely atrocious James Bond entry so I imagine there is some worry about her coming along and doing similar to other established IP's - such as Indiana Jones.

Top Gun Maverick proved how audiences want legacy characters to be treated. With extreme respect, no dumbing down, no being rubbish at their job, not being a relic of the past, not being outshone by some typically female hotshot, not being this emotional quivering mess out of nowhere who makes every decision based on the absolute worst love interest he ever had (hi James).

Contrast the treatment of Maverick to the bastardisation of iconic male legacy characters such as Obi Wan/Luke Skywalker/James Bond.

I would put any amount of money that Indy will be presented as this bumbling oaf who can barely keep up with Waller Bridges character, while she gets to tee off on him with verbal barb after verbal barb that he will just take without response.

loyatemu · 18-11-2022 3:33pm

didn't she just do some dialogue for NTTD? I don't think she's majorly responsible for its various problems (and it still did very well at the box office).

pixelburp · 18-11-2022 3:55pm

Phoebe Waller-Bridge is not writing Indy 5, she's the co-star and has had no hand in the writing. And at 80 years old I'd be shocked if this film doesn't try and portray Jones as old and bumbling. Cos he's old and bumbling!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119890146#Comment_119890146

She was hired to punch up the dialogue if I recall, add jokes n' zingers I believe. She wasn't responsible for the overall story or plot - though like I said she has become this lightning rod for overall grievances.

pixelburp · 18-11-2022 3:57pm

Actually, apparently Empire Magazine are releasing some "first look" promotional material from 5pm today - so couple of hours from now we can all really get annoyed at Waller-Bridge lol.

Fred Astaire · 18-11-2022 4:06pm

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Nope.

Had serious input into the final product, despite the just dialogue assertions initially.

https://www.indiewire.com/2021/09/phoebe-waller-bridge-shaped-no-time-to-die-plot-1234667662/

Fred Astaire · 18-11-2022 4:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119890280#Comment_119890280

I don't think it's a spectacular leap to make, that the first instance of whatever the hell Bond was supposed to be in that movie - hyper emotional, in love with the worst love interest he ever had, does everything for a woman, no quips, gets verbally beaten down by all the female characters with no retort - coincided with Waller-Bridge's first involvement with a Bond movie.

johnny_ultimate · 18-11-2022 4:11pm

“Look, we’re having a conversation about Phoebe’s gender here, which is **** ridiculous,” Craig said. “She’s a great writer. Why shouldn’t we get Phoebe onto Bond?”

Craig pushed back as the reporter asked whether Waller-Bridge’s hire was made to drag Bond into a more representative era. “I know where you’re going, but I don’t actually want to have that conversation,” the actor said. “I know what you’re trying to do, but it’s wrong. It’s absolutely wrong. She’s a **** great writer. One of the best English writers around. I said, ‘Can we get her on the film?’ That’s where I came from.”

Good on Daniel Craig here, honestly. She is a **** great writer, and Fleabag is one of the great television shows of recent times. Killing Eve, meanwhile, lost all direction when she stepped down as showrunner - under her guidance it was a fresh, playful delight. Waller-Bridge deserves all the success she's had.

pixelburp · 18-11-2022 4:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119890342#Comment_119890342

Punching up the script was serious input, never said it wasn't; rather, that she didn't have any say on the overall direction or thrust of the story - which would have been locked in before filming started - and is kinda what your own article says!

“It’s about just offering different alternatives. They did give me some scenes and then be like, can you write some alternatives for this or have another idea about where it could go in the middle or how it would end. And then I would just give them options and various scenes and then they would take what they want. But there was a lot people writing — the director [Cary Fukunaga] was a writer on it as well. And there’d been a few writers before.”

So yeah, exactly what I understood it to be: she wrote some new material, and sounds like some of it was shot - some of it wasn't and she's not that sure herself. But the overall plot wouldn't have changed from the beginning, which involved Bond & his previous love. I didn't particular like No Time to Die, but nor was its approach of "Bond Finds Love" especially new or modern either? It's literally just another variation on what we saw way back with On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

Funny the one bit I did like about NTTD was the new 007 sparring with Bond and his presumptive "that's my number" swagger. That was fun, the familiar stuff was dross - I can imagine which parts were Waller-Bridge's own. The good, combatative bits - cos she's a good writer of dialogue, among other things.

But again. She's not writing for Indy 5. Relax - there's plenty of other things to worry about this film, starting with Ford's age ;)

Fred Astaire · 18-11-2022 4:49pm

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Sure, but even if shes not writing this attempt to include her in all these franchises has been a failure thus far.

Her character in Solo was one of, if not the absolute the worst character ever in a Star Wars property, and that is saying something given some of the shite that has come out recently.

Shes good in stuff she writes herself, stories focused on women. Any attempt to venture outside that bubble has been catastrophic.

pixelburp · 18-11-2022 4:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119890583#Comment_119890583

Well not to constantly seem like I'm berating you ... but we don't know exactly what parts she wrote for NTTD so it's all just speculation - but given her CV I'd speculate her footprint was felt most around the quips, dialogue and situational comedy. Rather than the (melo)drama of the overall story.

Otherwise though, who's including her? She appeared in Solo and that's it really; IIRC an interview with her, she simply auditioned as a rando - don't forget it was originally supposed to be a comedy from Lord & Miller. I recall her joking she didn't even know what a "droid" was when auditioning; it never sounded preordained, just a job. Other than that she's hardly at Chris Pratt levels of saturation - she's barely at Chris Hemsworth levels.

I'd be surprised if she's playing it totally straight in this, but unsurprised if she's not either. Best approach in all these cases is to just wait and see; like I said, plenty other reasons to be annoyed that we're getting another Indiana Jone movie ;-) (even I've maintained more optimism than most, purely 'cos of the director TBH)

johnny_ultimate · 18-11-2022 5:15pm

Even putting aside Waller-Bridge being just one of multiple writers behind No Time To Die, 'catastrophic' is pretty hyperbolic for that particular film. The film was a 'success' by most common metrics - financial, critical, even general audience reaction. Yes, it's a flawed film (like virtually all Bond films, TBH), but the Bond franchise itself has had far more catastrophic entries over its long, messy history - Die Another Day being a particular nadir, and frankly even Craig entries such as Quantum of Solace and Spectre are much less interesting films IMO.

There wasn't much of her in Solo either, and the film's problems ran far, far deeper than an annoying droid in a few scenes. It had a case of terminal blandness and pointlessness at its very core. Dire direction and scripting were far more detrimental in that particular film.

Just very peculiar to see Waller-Bridge being accused of being some singularly toxic presence TBH, especially when the few projects she's had creative control have been warmly received almost universally. And she has also defied most 'strong female character' clichés by crafting uniquely complex, messy, self-destructive and multi-layered protagonists.

No idea how she'll fare acting-wise in Indiana Jones 5. Historical precedent shows the odds are very much against this film in general, but I retain some very cautious optimism that a new director and writing team may add some much-needed fresh perspective to the series. There's fundamentally no need for the film to exist - it comes from a fundamentally cynical commercial place, and it's a series that has already dabbled in tired 'I'm getting too old for this ****' nonsense well over a decade ago. But, as much as I like Spielberg, Mangold taking over is the one thing that has me at least semi-interested in seeing where this goes.

Fred Astaire · 18-11-2022 5:27pm

I'm not saying that this will certainly be bad, I'm just laying out the reasoning why some would be wary of her - which is something you seemed previously mystified by.

I think some of her quotes about Bond are absolutely, completely and utterly delusional also.

"There’s been a lot of talk about whether or not [the Bond franchise] is relevant now because of who he is and the way he treats women” - Nobody who likes James Bond cares about this. The only people talking about how Bond treats women are twitter feminists who couldn't care less about the Bond franchise.

"“It has just got to evolve, and the important thing is that the film treats the women properly.” - I would have thought that the most important thing was making a good movie, but aul Pheobs knows best. It's the way women are treated in the movie that's the most important.

pixelburp · 18-11-2022 7:09pm

Jesus he looks old. Not surprising but still. If this doesn't interrogate the ludicrous nature of old man indy on adventures, then the script has failed. The Empire link has the article too...

https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1593665515293233152?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

FunLover18 · 18-11-2022 9:10pm

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Absolute nonsense, did you not watch Craig's other Bond films?

CR he falls in love (the only difference here is that they had chemistry), Vesper slaps him down in there very first encounter, and he quits his job for her.

QoS is literally about Bond dealing with his grief and everyone telling him he's too emotional.

Skyfall Bond gets all huffy because MI6 thought he was dead and goes sulking on the beach. And then he gets all emotion about M because be clearly has both mummy and daddy issues.

Spectre is actually where he falls in love and again quits MI6 and gives up everything for a woman, so you definitely cannot blame the Swann storyline on PWB because that was there from this movie and was definitely going to be continued. Bond dying was also Craig's idea and would have been in the screenplay long before her arrival.

Craig's Bond films have literally seen Bond at his most emotional and that's not necessarily a bad thing, believe it or not emotion actually makes for good story. I don't like that every film has had to be personally linked to Bond as some sort of special chosen one but it really doesn't bother me that he gets emotional because that's not new. I literally watched Goldfinger last night and Bond is visibly upset about Jill Masterson's death in M's office.

Agent Coulson · 18-11-2022 9:21pm

Ford is 80 and looking every bit of it.

pixelburp · 19-11-2022 8:33pm

More details emerge and the setting is around the Moon Landing, and the former Nazis involved in it.

Reading between the lines and I can't help think there's going to be a time travel plot? Just something about the language used herr...

Enter Mads Mikkelsen’s villainous Voller – see above – inspired partly by real-life Nazi-turned-NASA-engineer Wernher von Braun. “He’s a man who would like to correct some of the mistakes of the past,” teases Mikkelsen of Voller. “There is something that could make the world a much better place to live in. He would love to get his hands on it. Indiana Jones wants to get his hands on it as well. And so, we have a story.”

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/indiana-jones-5-nazis-1969-exclusive

Tony EH · 19-11-2022 8:53pm

The more I read about this, the more shit it sounds.

pixelburp · 20-11-2022 8:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119894844#Comment_119894844

Sounds like they were desperate to work Nazis into the film somehow, sense be damned. Mind you the series was never accused of being an accurate depiction of archaeology 😂

20-11-2022 8:45pm

Too much spoilers. I’m out

Tony EH · 21-11-2022 10:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119898751#Comment_119898751

True, but still. I have my limits.

Mr Crispy · 21-11-2022 5:36pm

Not a plot spoiler per sé, but I'll spoiler tag it just in case.

Indiana Jones 5 Will De-Age Harrison Ford For Its Opening Scene

https://www.slashfilm.com/1111431/indiana-jones-5-will-de-age-harrison-ford-for-its-opening-scene/

py2006 · 21-11-2022 10:11pm

Empire Magazine cover. If we could all look like this at 80 we would be doing well...

johnny_ultimate · 01-12-2022 10:19pm

A trailer and a title: Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

https://youtu.be/ZfVYgWYaHmE

On the plus side, looks lively and colourful if nothing else. On the other hand, there’s some dodgy looking CG there (granted, it’s seven months til release).

Also: Harrison Ford doesn’t look ‘young’ by any stretch, but having seen the not-much-older Anthony Hopkins in Armageddon Time recently, Ford is looking remarkably good and sprightly for his age!

OU812 · 01-12-2022 10:25pm

What a terrible title. Looks fun though. Probably be plenty of “I’m too old for this shït…” type comments

Mr Crispy · 01-12-2022 11:00pm

Not a terrible trailer by any means, but it's still hard to get excited about the whole enterprise.

Agent Coulson · 01-12-2022 11:03pm

the Dial of Destiny sounds more like a title The Asylum would come up with for one of there knock off movies.

fritzelly · 01-12-2022 11:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119946502#Comment_119946502

Well doesn't look as bad as Patrick Stewart (2 years older) in Picard

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

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