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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    There used to be capital punishment for murdering a Gard. That punishment got rescinded and respect for Gards has capitulated to the point where middle aged alcoholics have no fear in beating a Gard close to his death on the street, on camera.

    If you could be strung up for murdering a Gard this would never happen, the reality is that they don't get any respect because criminals do not fear disrespecting them anymore. This would change with proper punishment.

    Capital punishment was a serious deterrent, if they do manage to convict those responsible they should throw the book at them. Beating and kicking a Gard on the ground is attempted murder, they should all get 10 years for starters.

    It is not about the free legal aid or the system, it is about not having enough prison space. There is not enough, we need another prison or two. It really pisses me off that there is no fear amongst criminals of repercussions or punishment, they know the system is a joke. 10 hard years in prison would sort that out, that is a long time to think about starting scraps with the people that are risking their lives fighting to protect you?

    Too many gobshights sneering around thinking this is acceptable, too many others shrugging their shoulders, the classic Irish response to everything.

    It is not just a Gard, it is someone's Dad, or husband, or brother, or son, or loved one. That is the problem, idiots just see a uniform and an ability to do what they like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭L.Ball


    • Difficult upbringing
    • Deprived Area
    • Addiction issues
    • Trying to get back on track
    • Wants to do a "course" in something
    • Very sorry for their actions

    5 Years, 3 suspended and the balance of the time spent in remand taken into account. Any other sentence in relation will be served concurrently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Indeed, and the gravy train needs to stop for scumbag solicitors defending these thugs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26 hustlenbustle


    I a am sad reading back some people blaming the gardai it's not their fault. I do think they should be armed.

    I believe we have a growing number of scumbags. Entitled to everything responsible for nothing. No respect for ANYONE not alone gardai. They tend to have lots of children and bring them up with their views. Anti society but expecting benefits from it.

    If these 3 are not severely dealt with there is no hope. They should be straight to jail and not let out for 10 years. We are too soft on wrong doers.

    I hope and pray those brave gardai are going to be ok



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,903 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Hopefully we will find a way to prosecute offenders to the full extent of the law while at the same time providing representation for anyone before the courts who cannot afford it.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 23,285 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    The government planned to build Thornton Hall prison. Land was purchased for €29.9 million in 2004 which was *checks notes* 18 years ago. Additional works and annual servicing of the site have brought the cost to date to somewhere near the €50M mark.

    There's no prison there - yet - but here's a nice computer generated image of what it might look like (one day). The original estimate for construction of the prison was €500M so with allowances for the passage of time and inflation it's probably in the region of eleventy-billion now.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40853321.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Augme



    Yea, we need to be more loke America, where capital punishment is a great deterrrent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    I am surprised any guards even go into some of those areas. Im sure there will be some bleeding heart story that their free solicitor will put forward. Try to justify their actions in some way.

    These people are terrorizing the areas they live in, I seriously doubt they are holding down a job or paying rent/mortgage. Cut them off I say. You shouldn't be able to take from a society that you dont contribute too.

    All that aside I think we need to take a long look at our guards. There needs to be a fitness/health/size requirement



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭mobby




  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    In the 80s and 90s we grew up intimated and threatened by the Gardai.

    I blame Political Correctness for todays mess.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    Its a wonder that this doesn’t happen more often the guards today are like children in uniform, they should have never dropped the height restriction.

    Post edited by Marty Bird on

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Marty Bird




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    We have millions being wasted on RTE presenters....im not naming them, we all know who they are...

    An Gardai deserve higher salaries and more support/numbers to take on these scumbags....

    Defund RTE, Support the Gardai....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    We have 14k Gardai.

    There is 0 proof throwing more headcount or money will fix this.

    I could go down to our local main station now and the front will be full of Garda cars.

    They need a new direction in policing that should be more effective to combat todays society.

    Patrols seems to be a thing of the past with a tiny few exceptions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    To be fair would you want to walk the streets in the cold knowing full well the scrote you catch will get no time and be out laughing at you after.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,263 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    14k is the total number of the force, all ranks, uniform and detectives,

    There are currently approx 9,000 uniformed Gardai (and that number is falling, not rising).

    Factor in those off sick or injured, on leave, on maternity leave, those stationbound doing the endless paperwork that's required these days, etc etc.

    These are spread across the entire country, and across 4 units (usually 5).

    If your local station is full of cars, it's because there is not the manpower to crew them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Somewhere around 2008 I think after a quick Google.


    They were asked to issue them years vefore by the GRA (there's a IT headline from 2002 online) but I think it took a copper near getting chopped into little pieces to push the issue.

    Garda Comer lost 6 pints of blood in the attack. I hope he got over it OK.


    The delay on bodycams is a bloody national disgrace at this stage considering how they are regularly used in other jurisdictions but of course this country is different.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave




  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    Again, I am not a fan of todays political correctness society as I have stated.

    In the 80s and 90s you didn’t mess with the Gardai. When the mariah van with a few Gardai pulled up to you and your mates, It wasn’t the arresting part that was the concern. It’s the way in which you were arrested.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I have respect for the Garda for sure. What boils my P*ss is it must be the worst police job going in the world. I mean dealing with people with 100s of convictions how does that happen in a developed country. I would give them taser minimum and bats. It would take a few years and money but I wager this Idea would work.

    1 Setup a national Division specifically for public order not riot police. Say 10 guys in a van waiting for a call in the local area nation wide.

    2 Setup a fast track system for public order offences temporary say 5 years special courts.

    3 Body cams So when the scrote cries wolf it's all on camera.

    4 Setup a dedicated infiltration group.

    5 Build specialised jails for this. No internet no cushy surroundings.

    6 Under age people involved parents get dole cut scrote gets a tag geofenced.

    7 Temporay laws for 5 years allowing the Garda to cut said parents access to internet and TV for example as punishment. TV Internet are not a human right. Cutting dole anyway should sort that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,263 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    You not being a fan of political correctness is irrelevant. That's not the way it works these days (more's the pity).

    Those with a hard-on for the days of Lugs Brannigan, and doling out a good beating (or shooting, in some cases, God help us all) are living in a fantasy universe.

    Doesn't happen, won't happen, can't happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭riddles


    I believe Garda management have let down members by not explicitly highlighting what a joke shop the so called legal system is!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Very easy to pick out the posters who have something against AGS in this thread. No rational person would blame either Garda for that. Yes, it could have been handled differently, but to victim blame here is disgusting. Just highlights what kind of people these posters are.

    I'm surprised it's not happening more often. I'm sure the lack of members is part of that reason, no Gardai around to assault. I see nothing changing. Nothing. Part of the reason I left.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    That's one of the major crux of the argument how does Anto 100 convictions still walk around.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Uk solution to scooter scrotes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    Nonsense

    read what you writing. They need restructuring.

    Do you know what happens when you hire more headcount?

    You have more people sick or injured, on leave, on maternity leave, those stationbound doing the endless paperwork that's required these days, etc etc.

    then what’s the answer?

    Hire even more to cover the people you hired?



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,263 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    You also have more people available to actually work. You know, drive those cars that are parked up outside the station because currently there aren't people available to man them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    It’s obvious that’s not the way it is today.

    We have a Country full of scumbag gangs vs The Gardai who many tend to be scared of their own shadow.

    I guess we wanted more approachable friendly Gardai and Diversity within the Force and we certainly got that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    What's your suggestion so? I was a Garda from ~2007-2017, and it never had enough members for everything. But that's partly because the country has AGS doing things they shouldn't be doing. Add to that that even calling a scumbag a scumbag could result in the member getting reprimanded, it would be no wonder why some would bother. I count 5 of the numerous assaults I got in those 10ish years to have been serious, or at the very least warrant a charge. No a single thing done to any of them. One nearly threw me over a 2nd (or 3rd, can't remember) floor balcony, only for I managed to grab something in time I was gone. He didn't even get questioned about it.

    But the problem remains, there are NOT enough Gardai to do everything AGS has to do in this country. And now they have a fear of using force because management and the country are against them. As many have said, why anyone would want to join AGS now is beyond me. I'm working nights, doing about 3% of the volume of work I did while I was a Garda, and I'm getting paid more than a Garda with less than 5 years service.

    I agree fitness is something that needs to be looked at. But it's a case of who provides what and who pays for it. ERU members get paid time during their shift to work out. Regular don't. Easy to see why some wouldn't keep the fitness up, mainly because you're either stuck in a car driving to incidents, stuck in the office dealing with people crap, stuck in court trying to stay awake, or stuck on a checkpoint/scene. The "beat" is long gone, very few manage to have members on the beat now. They can't even fill the cars.

    I do believe Irelands scum is unique though. They target everyone and anyone and have no fear, with everything funded by the Government. They're spoiled brats who do what they want. I don't think other countries have this. And I don't think Ireland will ever change, not until the Gubbermint pull the finger out. And that's obviously not happening.

    It's only going to get worse before it gets better, if it ever gets better. It's when people start dying is when things change.



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