"Green" policies are destroying this country

I would hope that at least the government will process this transfer of our money efficiently. By sending it directly to the Cayman Island and Swiss bank accounts where the vast bulk of this "aid" will end up anyway.

These COP beanfest events are the brainchild of the U.N. and the U.N. being the U.N. it was only ever going one way. "SHOW ME THE MONEY". Anybody that paid any attention to the last few days last year and the crowd around John Kerry and his bag of money would have had a strong indicator of what the Cairo beanfest was going to be about.

It was never about emission or targets, even though our resident useful fool Ryan and others like him in the E.U. kept increasing those targets when a child could have told them that having missed all their previous targets, and renewables not even running to stand still with demand, piling on more demand with E.V.`s, heat pumps etc. made those new targets laughable fiction.

The E.U. has now been left from listening to these idiots looking even more idiotic than the idiots, attempting to use creative accountancy to massage the figures to fit. Even our own home-bred useful (useless ?) idiots are beginning to twig on the demand side where E.V`s are now a no-no and pedal power is the solution.

If Ryan, or any of his supporters had an ounce of cop on they should be hanging their heads in shame rather than attempting to sell this latest act added to the farce.

The view that charts the phenomenal improvement in living standards since the agriculture and industrial revolution. The real green revolution that feeds billions of people on Earth today, the real fall in deaths due to weather related causes since the beginning of the 20th century, the actual greening of the planet, how much better life is in Ireland in the 2020s compared with points in the past like the 1840s, the war of independence and civil war, the economic hardships of the 1930s and the near collapse of the state in 1957, the effects oil crisis in 1973,1979 and the 1980's recession. The fact that cold kills more people in Ireland each and every Winter season and how insignificant .5C really is in the scheme of things. The fact that polar bears are doing just fine, coral is doing just fine, the arctic sea ice is still there and ALL of the failed predictions of environmental doom since the 1970s charted so you can see them. The reliance by alarmists on modern day fortune telling machines called computer models that have no demonstrated still in predicting anything. The reality of outsourcing production to South East Asia, the fact there are no solutions only trade offs.

Let's consider the loss of control and autonomy you will experience in your future should todays green activists proposals comes to pass. What is the reality of not having affordable energy? Not being able to access energy on demand? All these twits you see grabbing media attention are not building solutions to the problems they perceive, they are lobbying for subsidies, subsidies with no cost benefit analysis, that your labour and productive efforts must pay for.

All you green activists have is fear mongering, this is child abuse.

Jaysus your mask dropped there, we all knew you were a spoofer but how the **** does any sensible adult link a coherent reply to Gemma o Doherty.

You can try and evade and obfuscate all you want, the preservation of your climate religious faith is more important to you than the uncovering of the truth!

There is not a single fact, figure or observation that leads us to conclude that the world‘s climate is in any way disturbed. It is variable, as it has always been, and rather less so now than during previous periods or geological eras. There is no evidence for any climate emergency.

The expansion of continued subsidies for solar panels and wind turbines are not viable, yet presented to us as "virtuous". This year the ads on the radio promote reduced energy consumption, the pricing mechanism also discourages consumption. No economy can grow by cutting energy consumption, it must logically stop development and atrophy, we call this recession. The unemployment rate will signal green activists virtue.

If we in Ireland were to stop all industrial activity, the composition of the atmosphere would not alter in any measurable, perceptible way. Therefore you are are promoting a cause (reducing CO2 emissions) that serves absolutely no purpose.

That's not an opposing view. The green activists who presented unopposed to the young people present a view that is unencumbered by reality. For instance they talk about the circular economy and how "we" in Ireland must recycle plastic to reuse it instead of exporting it as is done today. Well, to do this you need the industrial chemical processing infrastructure to return plastics to their constituent molecules and reconstitute them as something else. Aside from the economics of such a process and the energy required, the green activists are also the same not in my back yard activists who will object to the construction of said processing facilities were they to be built in Ireland. They are not concerned with the practical as much as showing how virtuous they are.

At the end of the day human ingenuity will solve all issues facing the planet. It always has. Cut backs and negativity are not a solution for anything.

To Pa elGrande: you know fine well it serves a purpose. It is to end Capitalism by any means possible. Climate policy is just the way to halt the wheel of progress. Just like Ghandi, they want everyone to go back to till the land and have the level of starvation from pre industrial times. With less people on the planet to pay for our original sin of merely existing. Of course it wont be them. They will live out their lives in western comforts while preaching to the poor they should only put up solar panels thereby stalling their progress. The greens have long been actively stopping poor countries from developing. It is either Green or die. That is the western mind set. It is a bizarre form of neo colonialism. Poor countries just want energy but the Greens say: fine, but only the inefficient and expensive ones because you know, we know better...

Well there's some truth in what you say and I always feel that a large part of new Green politics is self serving. There's a substantial industry needed both at research & academic level and also in manufacturing and churning the market to roll this vision out. Money to be made.

But it's also true that there has been and is a demonstrable loss of bio diversity. I and I'm sure many others here have seen that in our own life times. This is largely due to both the growth of the human population and the rising living standards that you speak of. Humans are increasingly greedy in terms of resources.

So maybe that's where Green policy should be directed - fewer humans and lower living standards. Reduce, reuse and recycle - make do with less. Across the board, including far less travel both domestic and international.

The problem the Greens have is selling that message as it's not too popular, particularly with young people, so they've turned instead to Green Tech and Green Industry. Promised new solutions that will deliver they say if only we believe and buy into them.