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  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    I agree with you. Please read my previous posts



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,262 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    So you agree that the numbers are too low, but are against increasing numbers?

    Right so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,329 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I’d be surprised if the sentence is that severe to be honest… it certainly should be and more but….

    im also concerned how ineffectual that colleague of his was. That’s scary, I’m really perturbed watching it… she seems focused on going to have combat with a third party, while her colleague is on the ground, seriously vulnerable, being attacked by two….if one of those two fellas had a knife, he’s fûcked dot com…

    might sound overly critical but if a Garda does not posses the physical prowess of hand to hand combat, nouse to prioritise the wellbeing of her buddy and combat ability to support colleagues and the public…. You can talk about quotas and everything and increased numbers of X demographic but….

    its a sad watch for many reasons…



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    In certain parts of the country guards should be armed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 752 ✭✭✭dontmindme


    Perpetrators are the real victims in this!!😲



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    In the wild west ofc with automatic weapons at this stage.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,484 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    There are less Gardaí assigned to frontline policing now than there were 10 years ago. The creation of new units to tackle the various issues of the day (cybercrime, divisional protective services bureau, domestic violence etc.) has offset any increase in recruitment over the last decade before you even take into account that the population has increased by 12% over the same period of time.

    Meanwhile the nature of work has changed so much that the Gardaí that actually remain on frontline policing duties and responding to calls are spending an ever increasing amount of their shift behind computer screens pushing paper so that the wide array of oversight bodies have their statistics and figures that they can discuss at their monthly meetings. The two Gardaí that were assaulted in this incident will have to complete a detailed report on their use of force for this incident whenever they do recover from their injuries and return to work.

    The Garda Commissioner has already stated that he needs 16,000 Gardaí just to be able to maintain the current level of policing, which many people are already unhappy with. Unfortunately the numbers are falling rather that increasing due to recruitment and retention issues. The Government have refused to increase the maximum established strength beyond 15,000 - but that's a side point considering Garda management are finding it impossible to achieve an overall net increase in numbers.

    Don't expect things to get better any time soon, they'll probably get significantly worse. You get what you pay for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,007 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Hardy unique to Ireland.

    Typical Ireland is the worst country in the world syndrome.

    The justice system from top to bottom should be in constant reform and done in tandem.

    This has to be based on actual facts and not hyper emotional irrational fear mongering.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    It's basically state supported wasters been given the nod to act like animals and then being told that it's ok because they aren't expected to do anything useful anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    I don’t agree with you just to throw more people at it.

    You seem to have tunnel vision on staffing and nothing else.

    The route cause of Policing in Ireland is not just staffing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich


    the way people are going on its the end of the world because a gard got bet, I do be going around and never have any trouble were not living in bayrut like people think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    i've seen plenty of gardai beat innocent members of the public, had they been two fit and strong gardai the outcome might have been different. Most of the gardai i see are obese or 4 foot tall. In saying that i hope they are ok and i don't condone it, but you have to be fit and able for the job



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,414 ✭✭✭apache


    I'd say there does be some hassle with who is getting paired when going out on patrol. It's someone you have to rely on



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber



    Bayrut 👍


    Should self defence against Garda be allowed?



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭noc1980


    Ah like clockwork out comes the 'It's not Beirut' - Well wouldn't that make you feel better after dropping 650k on a bungalow in an area terrorised by feral trash? Let's not demand too high a standard of policing in one of the most expensive, 'prosperous' cities in Europe now, just repeat to yourself at least it's not Baghdad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,557 ✭✭✭DublinWriter




  • Registered Users Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,806 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    There doesn't because the numbers aren't there to be picky.

    There were probably four Gardai working in Ballyfermot that night. People need a wake up call about numbers in the Gardai...even in Dublin there is one car covering an area at any one time.

    If that car gets a prisoner at the start of the shift, that could be them gone for the rest of the day so a neighbouring district will cover...if they can.

    Some districts and divisions are only firefighting..they're starting a shift looking qt 40+ calls holding and there could be the same or more holding at the end of it.

    Same with Dublin Fire Brigade..could be 30-40 calls queued for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    Some amount of whataboutery being spouted.

    I'm sure we should shut up and not demand safer areas for our kids to live and work because other countries with over 60 million people have the same issues🙄.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Another problem is introducing the watchdogs like the Policing Authority and the Ombudsman. Okay there are some rotten eggs in the force who are corrupt and abuse there power however I believe some of the reports made to the Ombudsman office are completely ridiculous and the people making the allegations think they can make a quick buck in compensation. No wonder morale is low between this and the courts revolving door situation were scumbags are on the streets with over 100 convictions.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    Its not about Garda numbers.

    I would agree with you if AGS utilised the Gardai correctly.

    If we have 14k Members of AGS.

    how can there be minimal visual impact on the streets?

    The persona of the Gardai have changed over the past 2 decades

    seems to be treated like just a job like any other.

    I would question if todays Garda generation are actually trying to avoid conflict rather then resolve it.

    I would also question if todays recruits would have been recruited 20 or 30 years ago



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,007 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Nonsense, independent oversight of any police force is paramount in any functioning democracy.

    Have you tangible examples of people making a "quick buck in compensation"?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,806 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Right it's not about numbers despite several serving Gardai telling you it is. You know better apparently.

    As has already been broken down there are 14 thousand total members of all ranks. Split that 4 ways for the unit rosters, now remove every member above sergeant, remove detective units, compol, warrants units, ASU, divisional specialist units, national specialist units, members working in the court services etc. Remove sick leave, annual leave. Now split what you have left between every station in the country. It won't go far.

    There are less Gardai working on regular units than there have ever been. You're looking at a situation where 3-4 members working in a station at any one time is the norm now. You have one car out and someone working in the station that may have to eat at the desk because the car is too busy to cover them. Some stations won't have a car at all some shifts or it may be covered by overtime which is again becoming the norm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,262 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    The 14k members of AGS that you keep touting includes the commissioner, all officers, all detectives, all specialised units, every single member of the organisation.

    There are approx. 9k uniformed members, spread across 4 units and the whole country.

    As explained by a few others, the paperwork and oversight requirements mean that time out on actual active duty is reducing all the time.

    That's why there is "minimal visual impact on the streets".



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    Who has said it’s all about numbers and nothing else?

    I see people mentioning a whole list of issues where numbers makes up only one of the list of issues.

    We have 14k serving members of AGS.

    If they are not visible to the public then we have a reactive Police Force who leave the stations when called upon instead of a pro active police force who go out looking or crimes being committed .

    Crime Spots in Ireland are cantered around certain areas yet these areas are not policed.

    Even if you automated the paperwork or Doubled the Headcount I don’t think you will see an influx of Gardai visible on the street or on the road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,690 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Problem here is we don't have enough front line Gards, they're all in stations doing office work, and there's no call by the members to outsource this to a civilian unit who can do things like man the station front office etc...

    Also, communities can't work together to hire private security firms to protect their estates as if the security officers lay a finger on anyone committing anti-social behaviour then the s)um will call the Gards and have the security officer arrested..

    We live in a country where criminals have more rights than the ordinary tax payers, and a Government soft on crime, a Judiciary that gives suspended sentences, an over crowded prison service, a lack of political support for the Gardai and Army, and a shortage of mental health facilities to support those with issues... It's almost as if this is all by design!



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,262 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Can you give over with the 14k number, at least?

    It's absolutely meaningless, and you don't seem to get that



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭thomasm


    Why did the 2nd guard not smack at least one of the guys assaulting the guard on the ground with the baton across the back of the head.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    From the footage it looks like panic set in. The second guard went away for a moment before returning back to help her colleague. It can't have been an easy situation.

    A tazer would have been useful!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    You seem to think time spent of paperwork, Leave and so on will suddenly disappear with recruitment. It’s comical if not tragic.



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