The grant needs to go!

Not sure we are exemplary in that respect ourselves

Question is why manufacturers continue to screw over Irish motorists. We can blame extortionate VRT for ICE cars being so expensive here but it was possible to make significant savings importing used cars from UK pre Brexit even after Revenue screwed you over with VRT

I once bought a year old Smax in UK for £15k (approx €27k here) and had to pay €7k VRT on the bloody thing. There is a clear definition of screwing one over.

The reality is that EVs have little of no VRT applied so is it simply the usual screw the Irish consumer attitude by manufacturers and dealers? I find it extraordinary that KIA consider it reasonable to charge €48k for their most affordable EV, the eNiro.

Grants offer very poor value for money. I don't like them and agree with uido.

If we have to have them let's make them inversely proportional to cost so the cheapest cars are prioritized.

If a car costs 15k or less it gets a 10k grant. 15 to 25 a 7.5k grant. And 5k for 25 to 30. Nothing above 30k because rich people don't need any help spending more than 30 thousand euros. Puts the emphasis on simple mass production and quickly gets the population into ev's.

As uido states the current grant just helps them set an upper cost at minimum gain.

The whole supply issue is something I expect the car industry to perpetuate for the next 5 years at least. It's in their advantage to keep demand artificially high for outdated ice products. Stops the value dropping like a normal market while they slowly sell super expensive ev's.

In a world where most EVs are late 30's to buy new, this makes no sense.

Instead of focusing on "rich people", why not think of a better way to have the grant so that it doesnt just pay the OEMs. How about a tax credit to the purchaser instead? So that way the purchase price of the EV isnt distorted (you pay the sticker price, none of this pre/post grant nonsense), and you get the money back yourself instead ofsending taxpayer money to Germany, Korea etc

Hope i'm not asking a question that has already been answered but when you scrapped your old 132 Prius you got extra 20k because you're an existing eSpsv driver is that right? Do you know if you get that same level as a new SPSV driver thats scrapping a high mileage car. Isnt there an incentive to take a 200k+ car off the road? Is that only for existing taxis or can new entrants into spsv's get that?

Many thanks

Is there any EV with an OMSP below 30k?

I think the Mini EV and the MG4 have a pre grant pre VRT relief price of 32-33k. The ora is mid 30s.

I agree with a lot of that. But there are other ways to use taxpayer funds to reduce emissions, better ways than handing 5k to an OEM.

Increasing grants for PV and heat pumps and retrofits , would result in lowered electricity demand and less need for fossil fuel. This is the first change I'd make, take all incentives off EV and put their budget onto renewable energy. Let every household in the country qualify for 2kWp free up front funded solar meaning it's not even required that people pay up and claim back. Require all new builds and all planning approvals to have minimum of 2kWp of solar installed. Any new carparks have to have all spaces within reach of a chargepoint for an EV with a max of 4 spots per 1 charger.

Stuff like that will reduce our emissions a lot more than a blank transfer of funds from the taxpayer to car makers.

Wow,

Just reading back an old thread,what a charming post.

I guess I'd be considered poor or lower middle class and I have a nice car with 1000km range,so do most of my friends and family.

In my house my Mrs toyed with the idea of getting an EV but we have nowhere to charge.Also it was a bit out of our range financially but if she wanted it she could have got a loan.Thankfully she listened to me because look at the state of the world 6 months later.

Like the vast,vast majority of people in this country I'll switch to an EV if/when it makes financial and practical sense.Thats probably been kicked down the road a few years or maybe a decade with real world realities and more pressing and important things to worry about.

Brand new at the time of purchase fossil fuel cars with no plug in - I hasten to add.

Its expected to be cut.

No specific statement yet on when or if it will be removed

"Good value" is a very subjective term which is influenced heavily by individual preferences and circumstances....

I thought my EV was good value when purchased....