DIED SUDDENLY

Where is it on.

Yes. Because conspiracy movies like this are pretty samey in those ways.

That's my opinion on why watching a documentary like that isn't worth it.

I was wrong however in predicting that the movie would be more coy about the conspiracy theory they're suggesting and it seems they are directly stating that there is a global conspiracy to depopulate the world using the vaccine.

Ive heard that about Twitter so many times from conspiracy theorists here. Strange coincidence.

As for the mocumentary, it’ll be just like all the other ones by conspiracy theorists. Made up and actually mocking their beliefs.

Worth a read about how despicable conspiracy theorists are on the topic, and it does go into the bullshit in the mocumentary

There isn't any evidence that links vaccines to a large amounts of deaths. Otherwise, conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers wouldn't be relying on anecdotal hearsay about handfuls of unverifiable cases.

Everyone I know has had the vaccines and I don't know anyone who has dropped death from the vaccine or otherwise.

all you need to know about it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/thereal_truther/status/1586431003312107522

And what evidence do they provide that any of that is actually true?

We've already seen that they lie about several cases of sudden death, so it's likely they are similarly lying here also.

Also, "pureblood" is a very strange term to use.

all you need to do is go to rip.ie and do a general search for the whole country....it won't be long before you start seeing the "sudden" and "unexpected" deaths each day...it's all there in plain sight....you can even do a comparison search for older years and see the massive increase from 2021 onwards.

Wait until you realise that not all deaths are on RIP.ie. Your mind will be blown. However, whatever it says on RIP.ie doesn’t take away from the fact that Died Suddenly is bullshit.

Pathetic stuff really

This trawling through RIP.ie is a big thing now amongst "researchers".

What sad losers.

One of the young men whose image is used died in a drowning accident. Another is of a young woman who died from head injuries during a camogie game in a freak accident. Others whose photos are used died from a range of medical conditions, such as Sudden Adult Death Syndrome (SADS) as well as meningitis. Others, including Diego, tragically took their own lives.

Pathetic yet unsurprising.

I don't see some "anti" vs "pro" divide in the news media. Are you sure you aren't referring to social media?

VAERS is a passive reporting system. Anyone who gets adverse effects within a few weeks of a vaccine can file a report. As such, it's more for the experts to disseminate.

It's the equivalent of having a public reporting system of anyone who experiences any adverse effects within 30 days of eating e.g. mackerel. You are going to get a very large number of false positives. The anti-mackerel crowd will point to it and exclaim "look how dangerous mackerel are!". All the while the real experts are the only ones who can interpret the data.

For the report you linked, note the following line: "The reported incidence of (epi-)myocarditis after vaccination is low and the risks of hospitalization and death associated with COVID-19 are stated to be greater than the recorded risk associated with COVID-19 vaccination [29]."

There's a significantly higher risk for myocarditis from Covid than from the vaccine

In my experience, "keeping an open mind" is a phrase often used by those who want to get others to believe questionable stuff.

The anti vaxx loons still at this craic at the end of 2022, 14 billion jabs later.

You can see why embalmers and morticians are latched on to. They don't have any medical training themselves thus can't be questioned scientifically, yet can make lots of anecdotal comments that the loons can perpetuate as pseudo fact.

"sewerage worker can't believe what they find under hospital treating COVID"

"binman finds trump ballots tossed into dumpster"

The baseline for excess deaths was established based on figures over the last 7 years, skipping 2020 because of covid. So 2015-2019 plus 2021.

I don't think the number of excess deaths in real terms is as large as the figures suggest, because the 'expectations' have been totally messed up by covid. People died who should be alive, and people lived who probably otherwise wouldn't because they put themselves in a bubble for 2 years and now there is a delayed 'harvesting' (actuarial term) effect going on.

There are more people alive versus the baseline and more older people.

So first we need a proper understanding of how many excess deaths are actually excess, before we look for other explanations.

There is covid still around. Long covid. Infectious diseases suppressed during covid coming back.

The impact both of cancelled medical screenings, and people not presenting themselves. Backlogs \ waiting lists have built up.

I think as well, where one partner died from covid, this may have an impact on how well the survivor fares from a life expectancy perspective.

The pandemic was a stressor event. Some people lost businesses. Some people developed new hobbies. Some people developed unhealthy habits. That could be rippling through to some health conditions and deaths.

Then this year there were heatwaves in Europe.

Remember in the other thread the anti-vaxxers have claimed that the 6 million+ deaths from covid were statistically insignificant. So they are indeed trying to argue that the deaths due to the vaccine are in fact much higher. Several of them have stated that the number might be in the tens of millions.

How this is going unnoticed is not elaborated on.

They don't want to say that all experts have just missed it while they have discovered it using the internet and zero training. Because that sounds completely ridiculous.

I suspect the belief is that there is a global conspiracy to cover up these deaths. However anti vaxxers don't want to admit this as it's an extreme thing to believe and prevents them from playing as the reasonable concerned person who's Just Asking Questions.

Most seem to have ditched the ideas of people dropping dead from the vaccine and have shifted to vaguer harder to disprove effects like claiming "it effects fertility". These claims have a longer shelf life so they can always kick the can down the road when they are asked about how their claims haven't come true yet. They will always claim "the effects will take years to be seen."

And of course with trends already resulting in declining birth rates that have existed long before the covid vaccines, they will have plenty to latch onto.

So a so-called causal link between vaccinations and excess deaths isn't even a correlation. Colour me surprised. Who falls for this nonsense?

Hmm. It's a video that professes to offer only one viewpoint - had an adverse reaction and feels the victim of it (and purely anecdotal). That straight away throws objectivity and science out the window.

Okay I guess it does what it says on the tin, but still the comment section betrays the target audience and the references for this video does read a lot typical anti-vaccine tropes and talking points.

Did you actually check that they were sourced correctly?

Kinda seems like exactly the same as the other movie, just with more of a veneer of credibility and without the extreme conspiracy claims.

'An analysis of RIP.ie death notices published in the Irish Examiner this morning shows there were 9,718 death notices published in the eight weeks up until January 25th.

That is up 20% on the same time last year, when 8,075 were published, and a 19.5% increase on the same period to January 25th, 2021.

The figure in 2019, before the pandemic began, was nearly 3,000 lower than this year.'

'Last week, the British House of Commons heard calls for an investigation into increasing death rate rates in the UK.

Some 17,381 deaths were registered in England and Wales in the seven days to January 13 — some 2,837 above the UK average'

is it those damn eggs?? 🙄

BBC -

The BBC recently reported that more than 650,000 deaths were registered in the UK in 2022 — 9% more than 2019.

That’s around 50,000 excess deaths, most of which have been concentrated in the second half of the year (since July, there have been an average of 1,300 additional deaths per week). Excluding the pandemic, this represents the highest excess deaths level in 70 years — and only a fraction of these deaths are attributable to Covid. Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that excess deaths were almost 3,000 higher than normal in the second week of January alone — more than 20% above the average. Covid-19 accounted for just 5% of the total. The week before, overall deaths were 30% higher than expected.

If we break the numbers down by age groups, the results are even more surprising.

While excess deaths in most age groups, even if above average, tend to be lower than they were in 2020 and 2021, as you would expect, there is one outlier: people between the age of 0 and 24 registered lower-than-average death rates in 2020 and 2021.

Throughout 2022, on the other hand, they have been dying at higher rates than expected. In other words, more young people are dying today in Britain than before, or even during, the pandemic — and we don’t know why.

Too many eggs?

Summer heatwave?

Myocarditis?

Tin Foil poisoning?

Why did 20% - 30% fewer people in demographic 0-24 die during periods of restrictions?

That number is more than could be expected eg from road travel reduced.

So there's a few things we don't know the why of.

And if we take 2020, 2021 and 2022 as a whole, is there excess of deaths.