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World Cup 2022 - Team and Match Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,914 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Your'e right I think,

    Tie-breaking criteria for group playThe ranking of teams in the group stage is determined as follows:

    1. Points obtained in all group matches:
    • Win: 3 points;
    • Draw: 1 point;
    • Loss: 0 points;
    1. Goal difference in all group matches;
    2. Number of goals scored in all group matches;
    3. Points obtained in the matches played between the teams in question;
    4. Goal difference in the matches played between the teams in question;
    5. Number of goals scored in the matches played between the teams in question;
    6. Fair play points in all group matches (only one deduction can be applied to a player in a single match):
    • Yellow card: −1 point;
    • Indirect red card (second yellow card): −3 points;
    • Direct red card: −4 points;
    • Yellow card and direct red card: −5 points;
    1. Drawing of lots.


    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I always find it a weird one when they start talking about intent, as if that's even really relevant to whether it's a red card or not... if it was found to be intentional, they'd more be looking at a lengthy suspension, Ben Thatcher-style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,914 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm



    Kenny is old school he would have taken the belt in the head, and shrugged it off.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,873 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    The amount of empty seat for a game involving the hosts is staggering



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Never seen so many empty seats for a host nation. Terrible.

    Hope to see a Senegal win, a Senegal clean sheet, and an Ismaila Sarr screamer.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,229 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Isn't there some fair play thingymajig in play for this too if teams are tied?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,914 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Just about the size of Qatari crowds, Doyle does not seem to realise only 313,000 of the population are Qatari citizens. He seems to think the Qatari have a population the size of Ireland to support them! Most of them are foreigners though about 90%. He seems very clueless on the basics.

    Their real support for Qatar is a pick from about the same population of Kildare. And it would be like people wondering why Kildare don't support their hurlers in large numbers. Not much of culture of hurling in Kildare.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,129 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What happened this morning ?

    Are Iran actually good, are Wales crap ?

    Is this a bad sign for the USA tonight or are the games unrelated ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I think if Kildare were in a World Cup for 3 games, they'd have no problem coming out in force in fairness!

    And why are you ignoring all the non-citizens? Many of whom were born in Qatar and raised and live in Qatar. The population is close to 3 million. Even if you ignore all the migrant workers, you've still got a million 'locals'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    Iran today looked a different team to the one that played England. They were good but at the same time Wales were terrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,129 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    This policy of having a playing teams pundit on is stupid. Especially if it's one young enough to know the players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,914 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Because many would not be bothered supporting Qatar as ex pats they would support their own teams. That to me is fairly obvious. It is kind of shocking how uninformed Doyle was. Where are you getting the million locals from it is 313,000 Qatari the rest expats.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,129 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,914 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    That is good now in fairness, well played.

    But Where are you getting the million qatari fans from. It is 2.8m 90% ish foreigners. So they only have 300k.Then divide that by 2 - women don't really go to games - no culture of it. Nevermind the men. It is not going to leave much is it?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    There is obviously enough of a population there to expect proper support for the 3 games. Even beyond the 300,000+ citizens, there are loads more who are Qatari in all but name, but simply are not granted citizenship. Sure of their current team, 16 of their players were born in Qatar - but only 7 are citizens.

    Also seems a bit mad that you'd reckon that of those 2 million people living and working there there would be such little affinity for the place they live that they literally wouldn't go down the road to watch a World Cup match, particularly given in most cases their 'own countries' aren't in the WC anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,294 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    This explains the population very well


    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,129 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,914 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    That's different though they are manufacturing a team in Qatar. Surely the Qatar support would have to come from Qatari born and bred?

    My auld fella has lived in Dublin longer than he has lived in his birthplace - Galway. But he wouldn't be seen dead supporting the Dubs. Nevermind wearing a Jersey.

    So I can't really see how expat soccer supporters are going to throw Qatar geansai's on them and roar on the team? They would support their own. Plus Qatar are fairly shite, you wouldn't be rushing to watch them as neutral would ya?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    That looked a very clumsy challenge by Sarr. Senegal lucky to get away with that.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Yeah, very very lucky to get away with that. Did it even get checked by VAR?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    Looked a clear penalty to me



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭Garzorico


    I can’t believe people get fooled by that carry on all the time. No chance that was a peno. The attacker jumped into the defenders path to create the foul. How people can’t see this is flabbergasting. Never a peno. Well done VAR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,458 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    The Qatari player should have just tried to score rather than trying to get the penalty



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Just think about the logic of it for a second - those kids were born and raised in Qatar for long enough to be found to be good at football. They'd still have existed even if there was no world cup, and all the non-citizen kids born and raised in Qatar that weren't good at football all also exist. There are loads of long term residents in Qatar, who have raised families in Qatar, but do not have citizenship and never will have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    That was a gift of a goal for Dia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭ElTel


    I agree, but if the ref gave a pen would VAR have overturned it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,914 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I still don't get it soccer is only new to Qatar and the pool of Potential Qatari support is small.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Great header for 2-0.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭creedp


    If it was a premiership or English or Irish player people incl pundits would be blathering on about how clever the attacker was. At least we can put to bed the conspiracy theory that the Quatas's have bought the ref / VAR



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,220 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Should have granted the world cup to Saudi Arabia if human rights was not a consideration. Qatar must be the worst host countries and shouldnt be playing in a world cup.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Well Qatar have a goal. Muntari with a good header. It's been coming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Bamba Dieng surely wraps it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,346 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    That'll possibly be the 2030 WC.

    Funnily, Messi has signed a massive deal to be an ambasador for the Saudi 'Vision 2030' tourism venture - which is centred on the WC bid. While Argentina are leading a WC bid with uruguay, Chile and Paraguay.

    So Messi may/will be bigging up a WC bid AGAINST argentina.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Christ, the look of the stadium with all those empty seats really is so embarrassing, whatever the reasons some will have for it, it just looks terrible... normally losing the hosts is a big downer for the tournament, will barely make a blip this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,914 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The bit I found funny on RTE when they were on about it, old school Kenny Cunningham gave the impression that he would have taken the belt and shrugged it off - no real harm in it according to Kenny.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,501 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    That’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time.

    He only get a yellow card for that elbow as well, pure madness. And he got away without any booking for another elbow in his Wimbledon days.

    Don’t see too many “footballers” like him anymore in the Premier League, thankfully.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,443 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    If the Netherlands don't lose to Ecuador later on, Qatar will be the first host nation eliminated after two games since the round robins began.



  • Site Banned Posts: 20,685 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    England have asked for clarity on penalty/var rules.


    The complete lack of self awareness is amazing. Maguire had his arm around the neck of the Iranian player and was as much fouling him as he was being fouled.


    There's another england player fouling in the box too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,294 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Also up in arms a clip of England giving away a pen is being used as to what is not acceptable

    ******



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Not sure they did really. It seemed mean-spirited. Iranians are very angry about the coverage, which focused on Iranian gamesmanship. Some calling it racist. I would say it's more the usual myopia you get from BBC sports broadcasts.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Sounds terrible from Klinsmann alright, and definitely mean-spirited - though I would say he perhaps deserves the benefit of the doubt that he's specifically referring to their footballing culture rather than their societal culture... we all know exactly what everyone says about Irish footballing culture in the same way for instance (old "british" style, hard running, all heart but no intelligence or technical ability), but I don't think any of us ever takes it to be indicative of what they think of us societally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,179 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Sweet strike by Gakpo from outside the box to give the Dutch a lead after just 6 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,129 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Someone wrote into Guardian Football Weekly yesterday too to complain about the constant lumping of Iran in with "Arab" teams. They a re not an arab country or Arab culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,246 ✭✭✭Esse85


    Never would of guessed that was Wesley Sneijder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,179 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Let's see what VAR say.

    Nothing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,179 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    He's in front but the keeper is going the other way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,036 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Probably the right decision really, offside player standing right in front of the keeper. It's not really relevant what the keeper does, the player is still in an active position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,117 ✭✭✭jacool


    100% travesty

    That is a goal every day - no way Noppert gets back over unless he's Superman



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,798 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    For me, a goal. Keeper had committed and player in front didn't really come into it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,179 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I think Ecuador can feel hard done by there having that equaliser chalked off. The offside player didn't interfere with play.



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