World Cup 2022 - Team and Match Discussion

ShamoBuc · 25-11-2022 9:19pm

USA need to vary their corners more.

breezy1985 · 25-11-2022 9:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119921663#Comment_119921663

Let's see this time

Kiith · 25-11-2022 9:21pm

Back to the England from before the Iran game. Really unimpressive so far.

ShamoBuc · 25-11-2022 9:21pm

Anyone coming in at the back post could have had a tap in.

Esse85 · 25-11-2022 9:22pm

Pulisic the best player on the pitch for me.

Henderson coming on.

sligeach · 25-11-2022 9:25pm

USA are playing well but I think they lack the final bit of quality to get a goal. I hope I'm wrong.

cmac2009 · 25-11-2022 9:25pm

England to - inexplicably - nick it 1-0.

ShamoBuc · 25-11-2022 9:31pm

Game is opening up a bit now, England pushing up a lot.

Esse85 · 25-11-2022 9:33pm

Get Foden on, Saka and Mount have been poor tonight.

Mr.Nice Guy · 25-11-2022 9:43pm

Expecting a Rashford late winner vs a tired US defence.

Sudden Valley · 25-11-2022 9:45pm

England are boring but defensively look very good.

Weepsie · 25-11-2022 9:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119921763#Comment_119921763

Shaw has been fairly shite. Maguire has been quite good. Stones as got away with some lack of awareness.

Schwiiing · 25-11-2022 9:50pm

how is that not a card for musah? did the ref leave them at home? shaw, moore, dest and musah should have 1 each

pjohnson · 25-11-2022 9:50pm

Grealish greatest talent is buying endless frees always flinging himself around.

Weepsie · 25-11-2022 9:50pm

Grealish is a cheat end of. Surprised he doesn't have to go to for a check up every match the amount he throws himself to the turf

ShamoBuc · 25-11-2022 9:50pm

Best chance of the game for England, Kane wasn't too far off a better connection.

trashcan · 25-11-2022 9:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119921696#Comment_119921696

Oooh. Thought it was about to happen there. They wouldn’t deserve it. US have been very good.

Schwiiing · 25-11-2022 9:51pm

add maguire to that

ShamoBuc · 25-11-2022 9:52pm

Lack of quality in tonights game. USA the better team. England will be happy with the draw.

rob316 · 25-11-2022 9:54pm

How don't you sub on foden, it's bad enough you start sterling ahead of him. England wasting a stacked squad with this manager.

tom1ie · 25-11-2022 9:54pm

That was a really poor game- very boring imo.

25-11-2022 9:54pm

Not sure why the US didnt push more in the end a draw did nothing for them

Weepsie · 25-11-2022 9:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119921816#Comment_119921816

A win and they're through no matter what.

Mr.Nice Guy · 25-11-2022 9:57pm

The US will rue that McKennie missed chance.

rob316 · 25-11-2022 9:59pm

You can't tell me Trippier is better than Alexander Arnold?

gormdubhgorm · 25-11-2022 10:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119921840#Comment_119921840

I think he is an overall better player than Trent. Trent can be a liability against better sides.

Mr.Nice Guy · 25-11-2022 10:05pm

Apparently tonight is the joint-lowest tally of shots (6) England have mustered in a World Cup game since the 1990 World Cup when they played...Ireland.

martyos121 · 25-11-2022 10:07pm

A real loser's mentality from England tonight. You end the game leaving two of the best attacking players in their positions in Foden and Trent on the bench when you can wrap up top spot with just one goal.

As I said before, this stage of the competition doesn't bring the best out of England, but when it gets to the pointy end they don't have enough bravery to get them over the line either. They aren't lacking in quality this year.

Football won't be coming "home" this winter, unless they let Thiago Silva or Lloris bring the trophy home for a night.

cmac2009 · 25-11-2022 10:08pm

Cliche after cliche from Kane and Maguire.. no easy games at a world Cup etc. You just won 6-2 a few days ago.

Damien360 · 25-11-2022 10:14pm

Boring game. Maguire for all the talk actually played well. Solid at the back. Grealish, although only on for half of second half, I’ve never seen a man fall over so much from the slightest touch.

Fromvert · 25-11-2022 10:15pm

Southgate is going to get caned when they go out and he's only thrown on TAA and Foden when desperation kicks in and he's chasing a game.

martyos121 · 25-11-2022 10:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119921901#Comment_119921901

You didn't see Neymar play only 24 hours ago then?

pavb2 · 25-11-2022 10:17pm

It was a typical Southgate performance

USA will be delighted it was always a two game strategy and most importantly it’s still in their hands a win against Iran and they’re through

Esse85 · 25-11-2022 10:21pm

All the English talent on show and they couldn't score a goal against the US.

That's on Southgate. Had them defending way too deep from the off.

Conservative is his middle name.

Kane is a worry.

Pipmae · 25-11-2022 10:32pm

Kane shouldn't start the next match. Neither should Saka. Foden and Rashford instead.

Weepsie · 25-11-2022 10:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119921840#Comment_119921840

Trippier has been the best full back in the league probably. Nothing wrong with that selection. Trent has not been good, and he's rarely been good for england and won't be unless they drastically change their style

theoneeyedman · 25-11-2022 11:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119921639#Comment_119921639

Thought they were very cynical in the first half. There were 2 fouls from trippier followed by another by stones within about 5 minutes, 3 frees given but no cards. All just breaking up attacks and stopping breaks. Gareth won't be complaining about the refs not acting on those.

26-11-2022 12:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119921820#Comment_119921820

What? The draw nothing didn't change the chances of qualifying much over a loss like a couple of percent a win changes it massively and means they have more avenues to qualify as well as a better **** of topping the group.

Not sure what that has to do with winning the last game and they are through, the best strategic play was to go for the win but they didn't push much at all late on

Weepsie · 26-11-2022 12:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119922974#Comment_119922974

It protected their chances of qualifying. Had they lost, it was no longer all ok their own hands.

Had they lost tonight, but beat iran and Wales won the last game they'd be out.

A draw tonight and a win v Iran and they're through regardless of other game. They kept it in their own hands.

They were out on their feet and we're starting to concede cheap free kicks. They conceded late on to Wales due to such a lazy, tired foul. They showed much better game management, against a team who despite playing poorly, still had players on the pitch who could easily transition the ball from their box to a go and score

tom1ie · 26-11-2022 12:27am

For England to play further up the pitch they need to drop mcguire- which Southgate won’t do- he’s far too conservative.

26-11-2022 12:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923011#Comment_119923011

If they lost Wales need to beat england by about 4 goals to over come then and they still need to win via Iran anyways

The win trade if via the loss trade off is the smart bet every time it's very simple.

Weepsie · 26-11-2022 12:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923056#Comment_119923056

Not entirely. If they lost they'd be going in with a minus goal difference though and A 2-0 win for Wales (highly unlikely) puts them ahead of they win only 1-0.. they'd both the have the same goal diffence, but then be down to goals scored.

So a draw tonight and a win guarantees them. A loss and a win doesn't.

They could easily go 1-0 down and that becomes 2 with the capability of the opposition if they show up.

They showed good game management.

NIMAN · 26-11-2022 12:35am

The England camp, players and manager, seemed very happy with tonight's result. They kept stressing the clean sheet. Were they annoyed at conceding 2 to Iran?

Shows their lack of ambition imho.

26-11-2022 12:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923091#Comment_119923091

Dude you a missing the point I think on purpose.

Wales are -2 already and the USA will be need to be Iran so plus 1 on that game so Wales need at least a 3 0 win

The loss would cost the under 2% of there chnaces to qualify a win would add 25% maybe more and possibility at better draws in the next round.

It was far from good game management it was an oversight by the manager

Weepsie · 26-11-2022 12:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923158#Comment_119923158

Youre missing the point as well then.

Had USA lost tonight they're also on a minus, albeit only -1. So say they win 1-0 v iran, a 2-0 for Wales is good enough for Wales to finish 2nd on goals scored as they'll be level.

The draw makes a 1-0 a guarantees qualification no matter the other match.

They can't finish to save their lives. Points on the board and work on just winning the next game.

This last bit I'm deleting is wrong re england and Wales v each other. Wales need to win way And hope Iran v us is a draw which I don't think will be

26-11-2022 12:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923178#Comment_119923178

Again the cost of about 2% chance loss at qualifying for at minimum 25% gain with possible better draws in next round is very worth it

Weepsie · 26-11-2022 12:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923223#Comment_119923223

You're missing the fact that they were dead on their feet. England were finally starting to poke holes and get the odd chance. They were losing the ball more carelessly in their own half a lot. Going for it and losing would've seen it out of their own hands to a certain degree.

It's tournament football. Had they been told before tournament a win in last game guarantees next round they'd take that over it might see them through.

Had they lost they'd be getting asked why they're on 1 point when they should really be on 6

26-11-2022 1:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923238#Comment_119923238

None of that matters to anything I'm saying, they noticeable looked happy with the draw it was the wrong call by a large and measureable distance and the management messed up. All I'm saying is factual what you are saying isn't.

Im not going to clog up the thread anymore with anymore back and forth. So I'll leave it there

Weepsie · 26-11-2022 1:07am

There was rarely a point when they dominated possesion, shaded it at times but england held on to it a bit more again the last 20 mins. USA could couldnt get a close to getting a shot in the last 30, were giving the ball away more than england , having to put in more tackles. England lumped a few balls long as they had pace to chase it and get into shape behind forcing USA to try and find someway of getting it back up.

I don't think they had anything left in the tank at all. Their final ball was just lacking for the end of it and england were looking like they could very quickly get up the pitch or draw a cheap frew

NIMAN · 26-11-2022 1:21am

I think USA just suffer from what a lot of countries do now....lack of a good front man.

So many pass it around well enough, but there's nothing much happening in the final third. Its corners and frees they hope for.

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