Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Zelensky sticking by his story

Seems to me his problem is he went so massive with his 'version of events' in the first place. If he were to climb down now he would effectively be admitting to (in the most favourable interpretation from his perspective) trying to bounce NATO into direct intervention on the back of inadequate and/or inaccurate intel. And that would leave a trust deficit between him and his allies going forward...

You can't blame them.

I don't know anything about the NATO treaty or the definitions in it (and I don't have the time/interest to read it) but would an accidental stray missile really be considered an attack which would pull in NATO? If that were the case then it would seem NATO would be more likely to cause/escalate conflicts than prevent them. If something like that could invoke NATO mobilisation, then I'm sure there were various other incidents over the years which should have done so.

Regardless of the source of the missiles, I'm sure NATO would find an easy out to avoid them getting involved. I don't think NATO need to make stuff up here and Zelensky is doing himself no favours.

If he keeps digging in on this he could seriously damage his relations with his allies. This guy pinpoints the problem

Immediately it happened, Zelensky would have checked with his commanders in the field, and for sure asked " are all of our missile accounted for? Their launch sites and targets? Launch times? Results? " All launch data in fact for that day. So when he says that according to his info, it was not one of his (Ukrainian) missiles that landed in Poland, he is telling the truth. And that's what he said on TV. But let his team have access to the site, and if it turns out that it was a Ukrainian missile that hit, then I'm pretty sure that he will own up to it. Why was there even a delay in allowing the Ukrainian investigating team on site? That in itself is suspicious.

To change the scene -and depending what outcome NATO/Poland/USA want - those in control of the site can place any bits and pieces on the site. What about NATO showing actual photos or whatever from their resonance of the area, to prove its point, with Ukr

We will have to wait until the investigative team ( inc. Ukrainian's) complete their report. That should settle it one way or another. ( hopefully)

Ukraine's armed forces are getting some Brimstone missiles.

The Brimstone is the UK's idea of the famed Hellfire missile. Normally fired from aircraft or choppers, it can be launched from a ground unit too. it has a range of between 40km and 60km depending on what it is launched from.

They already have some in service in Ukraine, several other countries also sent their variant of the ground launched hellfires,

It would be great if they could get predator drones to launch them from the air too

They are still flying daily,

Slow flying drone that can carry multiple hellfire missles, monitor thousands of kms of land and can loiter over a battlespace for over 20 +hours,

Exactly what ukraine needs and may be getting depending on how discussions go

I agree, key focus now appears to be on AA equipment and also energy replacement, such as foreign supplied generators and transformers.

Russia will never "run dry" of missiles, but they can be running low, which limits their usage. It does seem to be the case as they are increasingly relying on foreign drones, they also appear to be using older missiles with the nuclear warheads removed. Likewise, we saw same signs that they were running into serviceable tank supply issues, lots of clues to that the time, including very old stock appearing on the battlefield.

The sanctions mean it's more difficult for them to source replacements and manufacture their own. Long war will hurt Ukraine, but it's also hurting Russia.