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Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Both sides are using pretty much the same tactics Russia is meant to have the edge in drone jamming systems In that video their making themselves an easy target with so many in the same big hole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    What are they all doing inside in that hole, is it some sort of a death trap .It seems hundreds of feet below ground level



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭Good loser


    No one knows what's best for Ukraine than Pres. Zelensky; my opinion concurs with his. And I believe up to 80% of the pop of Ukraine agrees with him.

    You're an appeaser; to think you would give a murderous, predatory criminal (Putin) a win in this war beggars belief. Many years from now, when Putin is long dead, there will be thousands and thousands of disfigured Russian men in severe pain, limbs missing, in wheelchairs, etc cursing that man. By then the truth will be out about his execrable self serving manoeuvres, the many vindictive murders of political or personal opponents, his mafia/FSB rape of the economy, his massive theft from the Russian state, his responsibility for the Chechen school and Moscow theatre massacres etc etc.

    And, of course, the rape of Ukraine.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I didn’t mention anything about giving putin a win. There is no way that he will come out of this war with anything classed as a win. I have said several times that the invasion was wrong and also tactically naive.

    The longer the war goes on the more suffering will be endured. The latest tactic of taking out power will lead to a ramp up of emigration and impact the Ukraines air defences etc.

    The only entities benefiting from the war are the arms companies, contractors and in a way Putin.

    We are a neutral state. We can offer support to the Ukraine but this gung-ho mentality just gets people deeper in to a fight.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭Good loser


    'Wrong and tactically naive'?? Such pusillanimity! Have you any idea of the monstrosity of the offences perpetrated by Putin here. It is'nt as if the Russian people voted for this. This is ALL his doing and HIS doing alone. If he wins/gets a peace deal now (no difference) his presidency will get a new lease of life; you would have the tyranny inflicted on Russia continue for a further tenure of years. Plus the continued threats to Moldova, Belarus and the Baltics. Putin is an insect that should be eliminated - the time is now.

    You and this State might be neutral - I am NOT.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    This is ALL his doing and HIS doing alone. 

    Very naive statement.

    You and this State might be neutral - I am NOT.

    How exactly are you not neutral?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭Good loser


    You travel with Barktastic. Shame on you so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Never heard of it - In case anyone else needs to look it up, here it is:

    pusillanimity is

    lack of courage or determination; timidity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭Good loser


    You're into semantics? Go figure.

    The US and Germany (from today's news) are too timid in their support for Ukraine. Once Russia started shelling the services Ukraine should immediately have been given much longer range munitions.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,024 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    The effects of attacking power infrastructure.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Russia is a kleptocracy. There may be elections but he always wins.

    The kind of nonsense about eliminating Putin etc. You say you aren’t neutral, then why aren’t you over there?

    Lets be honest, you will be hard pressed to find an Irish citizen that would align themselves with Putin.

    However, when you see people palpitating in excitement about so called orcs getting mowed down then it makes you wonder. You can now pay to have your personal message on a shell in the Ukraine or better yet pay to get video footage of a drone dropping your grenade.

    We have all heard the horror stories of the abuses in this war by an large from Russia but also from the Ukraine. War is pointless, it only pain and suffering for ordinary individuals to allow national interests to redraw maps etc.

    I and many others in this country have made a significant contribution by donating to humanitarian charities in the Ukraine.

    In a perfect world the Russian people would rise up and demand a change of leadership. But I can’t see that happening soon.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We should do a whip around for his fare and gear to head over?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,024 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Mod: Okay, that's enough personal stuff! Argue the point. Or, don't argue the point, but move on.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I agree with a good bit of this post however:

    War is pointless

    This is an invasion, one that threatens to erase Ukrainians and their culture. Their resistance is critical to their survival. Literally they are relying on war to preserve themselves and their families. They don't have the luxury of maintaining a position of "war is bad", they weren't given a choice, they have to pick up guns and fight - or risk losing everything. Their lives, their freedom, their language, their country.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I agree that the Ukraine is right to fight back and defend itself but ideally we get a negotiated settlement where the Russians leave.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Bit hysterical there.

    Russia appears quite happy just to make sh1t of Ukraine after not really bothering too much with infrastructure from the start.

    The whole genocide hysteria doesn't really seem to be actually happening in reality.

    They did make the case for a neutral Ukraine but now it will be just a Ukraine so severely weakened that it will forever be a shadow of it's former self (which wasn't exactly impressive) and keep a small bit of conflict simmering just so Ukraine joining NATO is never on the cards.

    Ukrainian oligarchs are betting on taking their cut of the rebuild fund. So bigger the mess more cash for them.

    Being realistic though, none of us will ever live to see a prosperous Ukraine or even Ukraine returning to the level it was at pre 2022. Some appeasement of Putin would have served the average Ukrainian best in the short, medium and long term.

    The money to rebuild and investment to drive employment and encourage those who left to return simply won't materialize, western economies can't support it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    Nothing hysterical about his post at all tbf. Your post however, lets see...

    -Russia happy

    -No genocide

    -Never join NATO

    -Ukrainian corruption

    -Appeasing Putin would have been a good idea

    -The west won't help


    This all sounds very familiar...



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    No hysteria whatsoever.

    The whole genocide hysteria doesn't really seem to be actually happening in reality.

    Gaslighting. Putin isn't there to liquidate every Ukrainian, he's there to conquer territory and forcefully reabsorb it into Russia. Bucha, Borodyanka, Kherson have given us an insight into what Russian occupied Ukraine looks like - brutality, torture, arbitrary imprisonment, theft, murders.

    They did make the case for a neutral Ukraine but now it will be just a Ukraine so severely weakened that it will forever be a shadow of it's former self (which wasn't exactly impressive) and keep a small bit of conflict simmering just so Ukraine joining NATO is never on the cards.

    Almost every post and sentence I've seen you write on this subject is pedantic or mealy-mouthed criticism of Ukraine in one way or another, your points in the above post repeatedly demonstrate this,

    Soviet satellites that have gravitated towards Europe/West have managed to do relatively well, those that haven't escaped Moscow's grip haven't done so well. Ukraine is keen to align with the EU to get out of that rut.

    Ukrainian oligarchs are betting on taking their cut of the rebuild fund. So bigger the mess more cash for them.

    Another demonstration

    Being realistic though, none of us will ever live to see a prosperous Ukraine or even Ukraine returning to the level it was at pre 2022. Some appeasement of Putin would have served the average Ukrainian best in the short, medium and long term.

    Again demonstration, this time supporting appeasement and giving Ukraine to Putin.

    The money to rebuild and investment to drive employment and encourage those who left to return simply won't materialize, western economies can't support it.

    We don't know what a post-war Ukraine will look like, it all depends on the war. Followed many conflicts, I've never seen people rebuild destroyed infrastructure so quickly, and that's under a war situation with highly limited resources.


    They are doing this day in, day out, tirelessly repairing as much as they can. It's superhuman stuff.

    If they win the peace, then I have few doubts regarding their resolve in rebuilding the country. They also have large international support.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    They are doing this day in, day out, tirelessly repairing as much as they can. It's superhuman stuff.

    Would have thought fixing potholes was way down the list of priorities in Ukraine right now.

    Suprised resources are so plentiful



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Wouldn't reopening roads be as important as fixing power lines or water infrastructure



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    In case you are actually being serious, they are repairing damage from missile strikes on roads (within days, sometimes even hours) Resources aren't plentiful.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Two photos on the left - Ypres and Verdun, World War 1, 1916, 1917

    Two photos on the right - Bakhmut, Ukraine, 2022



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We all want that, but it’s hard to see Putin accepting such humiliation while he has one soldier to sacrifice.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A large dollop of wishful thinking here with side order of most optimistic outcome for Russia.

    Germany was shattered after WW2 and see how that turned out - and before you say, 'Urkaine isn't Germany' - correct, it's had decades of Russian dominance to suffer through. It's arguable Ukraine was the best of Russia, from scientists to innovation - see largest plane in the world, contribution to their space race. Add in NATO/the West supporting a successful Ukraine makes Russia look weaker and more stupid. That's a great victory for the West. If you think the West is going to let Ukraine flounder and possibly fall back into Russian orbit... well, you might want to stop watching so much propaganda TV. Also, give a look at the mineral wealth Ukraine can tap (actual reason for Putin's stupid invasion) and you'll realise they'll be grand.

    As for Russia, the sooner your realise Russia is FUBAR the sooner you can start the grieving process. Because you've backed the wrong horse here.

    As for appeasing Putin just a little to avoid this war - are you that clueless... have you no knowledge of history or awareness of Putin whatsoever? Genuine question.

    I have great confidence for the future of Ukraine... Russia, not so much... vassal state of China would be a good bet... might ask PP for odds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭White Clover


    This “piece” is clearly written by Putin sympathisers. No credibility whatsoever.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,071 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    How come when I click on "Scottish News" I don't get any Scottish news, just a whole bunch of anti-Ukraine propaganda?

    Wow, they even have an entire link dedicated to Russia Today, the English-speaking propaganda apparatus of the Kremlin. Ah must be just a coincidence, totally legit looking news site.



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