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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    The regular asylum process is broken for sure but what I would support is an expansion of programme refugees where those obviously in need of protection and relocation are identified and brought here. All the screening and preparation is done in advance of bringing the refugees here so it’s a win-win situation.

    The move of European governments further to the right is only going to continue while current liberal policies remain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Phil McCracken


    ☝️ A refugee and and asylum seeker are two different things the processes are not the same.

    ☝️Who determines who is in need and how do the people in need make themselves known to those who determine.

    ☝️They tried advanced screwing in Afghanistan and that didn’t work well for those in need.

    ☝️Modern liberalism as apposed to classical liberalism believes in the fundamental right to liberty and equality for all. If and when those fascism returns it’ll be a dark day/decade for the world cause we have seen how that goes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Phil McCracken


    Why is it untrue and insulting.

    What parts of the Geneva convention on human rights should be changed in your opinion and say after that change a far right junta take over in Ireland and start executions and all the Irish that flee are told at the border of what ever country to go home you paddy bastard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Winter looks to be starting in Ukraine in the next couple of weeks. This could spark a new wave of immigrants. How have the government prepared for this predictable event?



  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Phil McCracken


    The Ukrainians are not immigrants their refugee’s



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    The volume, the fact that the majority are not genuine, as shown by the rejection rates (63 percent rejected across the EU) . The ease of cross continent travel is another

    It's insulting to stereotype any group of people these days I thought.


    What exactly makes them vulnerable? Is it high London rent? Poor welfare in France?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    I know they are not the same, the asylum system is the process towards refugee status but once a person claims asylum they are treated as if they require protection. There are lots of camps of people who have next to nothing as a result of having to relocate due to war. Gardai/civil servants go over to these counties and interview some in these camps with a quota of places to fill and those selected are brought here. It’s not a perfect system but it is targeting those who really are in need of protection.

    Europe is moving further right. Asylum application numbers fell off a cliff during Covid because people simply couldn’t get here. Now that the asylum numbers have shot back up and the European economy is not performing well the modern liberal approach is going to need revisiting



  • Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭MagicJohn


    It's clear the Russians are prepping for a big offensive, they are laying waste to Ukraine's infrastructure, If there is no electricity no heat etc, the civilian population of Ukraine will will have to move West, simple as.

    Where is the plan from the morons in Govt Here?

    All the head in the sand stuff from some posters here will not make a jot of difference to the cold hard reality of several hundred thousand Ukrainians coming here.

    If the Govt wants to deliver on their promises they should pay households to house Ukrainians roughly equivalent to what the hotels are getting.

    Varadkar constantly drones on about "a level playing field"

    So how about it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Well as everyone knows,no one ever told a lie in an interview



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    You are correct, my wording was not right. I meant people coming that will need to be accommodated. There needs to be a plan in place now with tens of thousands of beds organised. Have the government even attempted to organise this? Or will they again wait till the people arrive and then just say Putin did it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭naughtyboy


    The level of immigration into Ireland is actually going to increase not decrease

    The pressure on health, education, housing and welfare will not let up but become even more intense

    But nothing can be done to stop the above, it is what it is. All people can do now is work on improving themselves

    Look after number 1, put all your energy into rising up the economic and social ladder enough that you are not affected by competition for state services

    Don't be angry with the large levels of immigration , they are only doing what is logical.



  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Phil McCracken


    ☝️They do need protection from the place there fleeing from a person claims asylum under the international protection segment of the Geneva convention it’s up to the assessing country to either uphold or reject that claim.

    it’s the second time now you have mentioned camps and war and quotas and I’ll ask you again what arbitrary system determines those quotas is one person legs or womb worth less than another person house. The reason why people are crossing Europe to get here is because that system of plucking people from camps does not work for the vast majority of legitimate people.

    you keep mentioning asylum numbers people have a legal right under the Geneva convention to claim asylum, just like Julian assange, there was no war in Australia or in London but he was legal able to walk into the Ecuadorean embessy and request asylum because he was in fear of torture. Anyone world wide is meant to be able to do what Assange did but that only works for westerners. 🤔

    if you don’t like that other people have rights to then go to North Korea or somewhere where they don’t recognise the Geneva convention,

    Europe is moving to the right now but it will only take one hitler to move things back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Phil McCracken




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    The Geneva convention is outdated and needs to reflect modern realities of easy travel within country and internationally along with huge recognised levels of abuse of the system and growing climate change problems.

    In a world of unlimited resources & honesty it would work in its current guise but it’s not fit for purpose.

    Yes it might come to a person having to meet criteria to be chosen for protection but that’s out of necessity. In reality only about 10% of failed asylum seekers are deported and uncontrolled migration is not good for anyone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,067 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Why do people keep saying this. It means absolutely nothing.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It’s also not true. They were never a thing and it’s all an urban myth. The photo of a sign in a window saying that was mocked up for an exhibition.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Because that’s the kind of regurgitated dopey soundbites that smug leftists cheerfully stick on auto repeat



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    And the government is meant to represent all the people not just the NGOs, media types and luvvies that want to achieve open borders.

    Maybe to you and others it is only a few backwards types and far right that is concerned, but the number getting peed off is growing considerably.

    And a government and a state ignores people at their peril.

    Irish people tend to stomach a lot, but when they finally voice an opinion it is quiet a loud voice.


    This is a bit like the Irish construction bubble. Then we thought we could have an economy by selling over priced houses to each other.

    Now some think we can replace the massive tourist industry by dumping into tourist ares taxpayer funded "refugees".

    Lunacy that will be found out once recession hits.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Most of the anti asylum seeker tweets are identical, does chief racist issue guidelines for the minions to follow?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    None of the mainstream parties are asking questions because they are scared sh**less of raising their head above the parapet lest they get savaged by the media (fook sake RTE is now full of modern liberals) and on social media.

    The last presidential election showed that.

    Added to that some of the leaders actually believe some of this shyte, possibly to ingratiate themselves with international bodies to get one of the cushy jobs that get handed out to those with favourable media profiles.

    Oh and I notice you just mention Ukrainians with no reference to all the other assorted thousands.

    Maybe that was a WERE rather than an ARE.

    Again YOU may not be affected, but more and more people are being affected.

    Heard recent conversation about third level college applications and how students can no longer afford to go away to college, so they are not applying to far off colleges so now only choosing local colleges.

    And it is all because accommodation is getting scarcer and more expensive.

    That is just one item that these huge refugee numbers are not helping, but making worse.

    Then add in the effects in tourist locations come next spring and summer.

    That is when the real sh**storm will manifest itself.

    Post edited by jmayo on

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    You are certainly posting gold nuggets on this thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Yeah , that kind of smear is water off a duck’s back at this stage for more and more people



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    WHY?

    We cannot afford to keep bringing in more people, no matter how deserving they are.

    When is the nugget going to drop that beggaring yourself helps no one.

    You do not keep piling more people into a lifeboat, you draw a line at some point.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    My ideology is to seek to give protection to those who are in dire need of it, while acknowledging that we have finite resources. What’s wrong with that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    The Geneva convention?

    Brought in by the UN who still have Russia on their council who are committing war crimes as I type and go unpunished?


    F#ck the UN and it’s laws and conventions.

    They are not fit for purpose and Irish people shouldn’t be made accept their BS charade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    If this apparent binding obligation we have to receive a zero cap number of “ refugees “ goes much further, I can honestly see something I never thought possible in Ireland

    a real groundswell of support for us leaving the EU



  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Not that it would make one jot of difference. The UK left for similar reasons and they are still being overrun.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    In reality those seeking protection are going to keep coming as things stand. The only way to stop it is to change the relevant legislation/conventions etc which is highly unlikely.

    I would prefer though to be granting limited entry to those who actually need protection (and identified as such) rather than letting any random undocumented person who turns up at the border and says they need protection stay for an indefinite time.



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