Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

Something like those facing genocide with no access to shelter, food, protection and where internal relocation is not an option. Or individuals being specifically targeted and facing abuse/torture from their own government.

It’s often forgotten too that refugee status is meant to be temporary and when the situation improves in the persons home country they should return but that very rarely happens.

If Ukraine was located the far side of Russia over by Mongolia I very much doubt the EU would be opening its borders in the same way!?

Name one thing that can be done that will actually even slow down the movement

It's been decided that this is what is happening and every party in the dail agrees with mass inward immigration, whether right or wrong it don't matter as it still is going to happen

There is no point being upset amd angry with the policy as it solves nothing, instead do what you can to help you and yours

Of course supply and demand applies to housing and rent prices, so does the ability to pay for it -

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/boom-era-mortgages-still-account-for-85-of-defaults-central-bank-says-1.4809023

We’re not adding 100k to the population every year though? It’s more like adding 25k to the population every year, and it isn’t the only factor which would lead to either an increase or decrease in the value of property -

There were 58,443 births in 2021, 2,484 more births compared with 2020. This corresponds to a birth rate of 11.7 per 1,000 population, a rate increase of 0.5 from 2020.

There were 33,055 deaths registered in 2021, of these 17,212 were male while 15,843 were female. The 2021 total is 4.1% higher than in 2021 when 31,765 deaths were registered.

There were 180 infant deaths registered in 2021 giving an infant mortality rate of 3.1 per 1,000 live births.

The number of births less the number of deaths in 2021 resulted in a natural increase of population of 25,388 persons, 4.9% higher than the natural increase of 24,194 in 2020.

In 2021, there were 34,271 (58.6%) births registered as within marriage, there were no births within civil partnerships.

There were 24,172 births registered as outside marriage/civil partnership accounting for 41.4% of all births, an increase of 3.0% from 2020. The highest percentage of births outside marriage/civil partnership was in Limerick City at 55.6% and the lowest was in Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown with 27.6%.

A total of 699 teenagers had babies in 2021, of these 16 were aged under 16. Over 42% of births outside marriage/civil partnership were to mothers under 30 (42.1%).

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-vsys/vitalstatisticsyearlysummary2021/

Building as many houses as you like isn’t going to make any difference if people can’t afford to purchase property, they’ll still be in a position where they’re waiting for their parents to pop their clogs so they might inherit the family home, or their parents investment properties or holiday properties, and then they’ll be complaining about having to pay inheritance tax and all the rest of it, meaning they may have to sell the property because they can’t afford to maintain it. And that’s if they don’t end up dependent upon the local authority to provide them with accommodation in a property which they will never own as an asset.

If you’re referring to asylum seekers and refugees, they’re not in any position either to purchase property or to rent, so they’re not going to have any impact on the housing and property market when they’re holed up in sports halls, converted office buildings and hotels being provided with what is colloquially known as emergency accommodation which is intended to be temporary, or direct provision centres for nigh on anywhere between two to ten years -

https://www.thejournal.ie/emily-logan-direct-provision-1650521-Sep2014/

Article is from 2014 btw, you can hardly argue this is a new problem when the Government abandoned the affordable housing scheme in 2011, over a decade ago, due to plunging property prices -

https://www.thejournal.ie/affordable-housing-scheme-scrapped-after-plunge-in-property-prices-157131-Jun2011/

All you’re arguing for is that history should repeat itself, which it will do if Government aren’t careful -

Affordability and homeownership are at the heart of Housing for All, the Government’s national housing plan to 2030. It recognises that significant new supports are needed so that those who want to own their own home can do so, and those that see renting as a more suitable housing option are able to do so at an affordable rate and with more security.

Affordable housing is being provided in two ways:

Housing for All aims to deliver 36,000 affordable purchase homes and 18,000 cost rental homes up to 2030.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3d575-affordable-housing/

A removal of the pull factor for one, absolutely no need to give full welfare to those who are housed and fed and looked after as well as a country with its mounting debts can, nor is there any need to be promising "own door accommodation" in completely unrealistic timeframes and publishing such promises in numerous languages, pie in the sky virtuous stuff that only makes the problem worse for genuine refugees/asylum seekers, some day the money will run out and that day is approaching, and its the ordinary citizens who will pay in the end one way or another

Poland took in many Ukrainians years before the war started. I think they are of the view that they are culturally similar so the boat won't be rocked too much, which is a sensible, yet alien view in the rest of Europe.

That's incorrect, where they can't afford to rent the government steps in. A large chunk of housing waiting list is foreign born.

Loose visa requirements lead to increased demand from those who can afford rent.

Less demand reduces prices.

Welfare and entitlements need reform imo, you shouldn't be able to move to a county, contribute nothing and be entitled to everything immediately.

Despite all the building trumpeted by the government, will likely have less housing per person at the end of the year then at the start.

What I want to know is why Michael Martin, Leo & rodric keeps saying that Ireland would be breaking E.U Law if Ireland capped the number of refugees we took, They've all said, ‘we have both a legal and moral duty to give asylum’. The only obligation Ireland has is the one the government willingly signed us up to, fully participating in the EU's relocation and resettlement schemes that were set up in response to the migrant crisis that peaked in 2015 thanks to Merkl. Under the Lisbon treaty, Ireland (w/Denmark) was exempt from such an obligation as it has an opt-in or opt-out clause on justice and immigration measures. The EU has never forced us to take in refugees or immigrants, it never withheld funds. The government takes them in like such good boys. In the Dail, Why aren't politicians looking to trigger the opt-out clause of the agreement as a practical solution to increasing asylum application numbers which we know 90%+ are fraudulent? Work with what have now to reduce numbers and costs.

These empty people don't see any obligation to the people of Ireland.

What’s incorrect? Where who can’t afford to rent? I mean specifically what group of people are you referring to? Because Government doesn’t step in in most cases, the vast majority are accommodated by local authorities. Could you be more specific about how you’re quantifying ‘a large chunk’, because that could be any number. I’m not meaning to be obtuse, but your claims are just so vague as to be rendered meaningless with each local authority having it’s own social housing waiting list, and it’s own housing stock, and where it doesn’t have housing stock, applicants may be eligible for Housing Assistance Payments and cannot by law be discriminated against by private landlords.

Nothing loose about our visa requirements either - when an employment visa expires, an immigrant is granted a few weeks grace before they’re considered having outstayed their visa and therefore are present in the country unlawfully. In those circumstances whether or not they can afford to rent is irrelevant. In circumstances where they are legally entitled to be in the country, their money is as good as anyone else’s to a landlord who is running a property rental like a business, the way it should be run, as opposed to the idea of these ‘accidental landlords’ who imagined they’d make a killing on the property and rental market, yet don’t know their arse from their elbow in terms of their legal obligations as property owners and landlords.

You’re going to have to be a lot more specific about what welfare reforms you’re proposing. Nobody, to the best of my knowledge anyway, is automatically entitled to be in a county (or country for that matter), and be entitled to everything, whether they contribute or not. I assume by a contribution you mean in terms of a contribution to the economy of some description? I’m allowing for ‘contribution’ in that context to be as broad as possible, because I know that there are people who complain about the fact that Polish immigrants for example who came here, contributed to our economy, and then went home, shouldn’t be entitled to welfare payments for their children. Even Leo was upset by that obligation under EU law when he was the minister for Social Protection -

Social Protection Minister Leo Varadkar wants to change a law that allows EU citizens living in Ireland claim child benefits here for children living abroad.

Yesterday the Sunday Independent revealed that Ireland has paid out almost €40m in child welfare benefits to families living in other European Union countries over the past three years.

In total, Ireland pays benefits to the families of 7,938 children living in other EU countries. The total cost has increased from €11.85m in 2014 to €13.27m last year.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/this-should-change-varadkar-vows-to-clamp-down-on-child-benefits-going-to-families-in-other-eu-countries-35505295.html

Hasn’t said a word about it since, but quite happy to allow his colleagues in Government like Roderick make a complete tit of himself by promising refugees own-door accommodation within four months of arriving in Ireland.

It stands to reason that we would have less housing per person at the end of the year than at the start, because if Government were to try and equate them, people wouldn’t be too pleased about seeing the value of their children’s inheritance taking a nose dive. Government knows this, it’s precisely for this reason that they’re asking people nicely to make their holiday homes available to asylum seekers and refugees for €800 a month or whatever it is, and they’re getting what could only be described as… a lacklustre response 😂

A total of 2,124,590 permanent dwellings were counted in Ireland during Census 2022. This is an increase of over 120,000 units (6%) between 2016 and 2022.

The number of occupied households increased by over 150,000 (9%) to 1.86 million while the number of vacant dwellings fell by over 16,500 (-9%) to 166,752.

There was a large drop of 35% to 33,177 in the number of dwellings that were temporarily unoccupied on Census Night as the residents were away from home.

The amount of holiday homes that were unoccupied on Census Night rose by nearly 4,000 units, from 62,148 to 66,135, a rise of 6%.

Are you counting holiday homes in your analysis? Plenty of vacant rental properties too -

Figure 4.2 shows that rental properties accounted for over 20% (35,380 dwellings) of the vacant residential units identified in the census. This figure included short term lettings and properties that were between lets but may not have been advertised. A further almost 18,000 properties (11%) were for sale. This included dwellings that were sale agreed or recently sold.

Galway City (38%) and Dublin City (30%) were the areas with the highest proportions of vacant rental properties. In contrast, Roscommon (16%), Cork County (16%) and Galway County (17%) had the lowest proportions of vacant rental units.

In Roscommon (25%), Galway County (24%) and Mayo (24%) properties were most often vacant because the owner was deceased. In Galway City (6%) and Fingal (8%) this was much less common.

Properties in the cities were in general less likely to be vacant because the residents had emigrated than for rural dwellings.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cpr/censusofpopulation2022-preliminaryresults/housing/

That’s 166,000 vacant properties, and you imagine there isn’t room to accommodate 100,000 refugees? They could easily accommodate 100,000 refugees, 11,000 people who are on housing waiting lists, and STILL have plenty more accommodation available… but the arse would fall out of the property and rental market and our economy would collapse. It’s in the national interest to keep the property and rental markets artificially inflated, and accommodate refugees and people who are homeless in hotels, sports halls, etc.

There’s no contradiction in what I said. However I do see the false dilemma you’re trying to engineer by suggesting that because we do one thing, we can’t do another. It’s not true though, and one of the best examples of it is the national budget, where Government is expected to reach it’s revenue targets -

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-40975964.html

€3Bn has been allocated to providing assistance for Ukrainian refugees, and that leaves… ohh, about €96Bn going towards supporting the Irish economy to provide for services like free education and healthcare for children, the sort of things that are necessary to enable future generations kinda thing as opposed to trying to appease a few people who are feeling a bit hard done-by even though they’re doing quite well for themselves. It’s easy see where your money goes too -

https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/

There’s zero chance of that so a joint effort to update the Geneva Convention is the best to hope for.

Should it stay as is for eternity regardless?