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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,973 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Most entertainers happen to be 18+ this is **** ridiculous



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,973 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is the drag show that advertised itself as “rated R” though. They did nothing wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,973 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,973 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Inarticulable. Got it. Lol

    also: what makes one 6 year old “vulnerable” and another not. You keep making that descriptor.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,290 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    We have had enough discussion of transgender issues across numerous threads. Don't be surprised if this thread gets closed if it continues here



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    To get back to the premise of the thread, the notion that all the ills of the world are the fault of "the right" speaks to the ingrained issues in modern socio political discourse.

    This is a blame game.

    There is no appetite to find a middle ground and compromise like people were capable of doing in the past.

    It definitely feels as if people who are on either the left or the right these days are so entrenched in their beliefs that they are incapable of even entertaining the notion of comprise nor do they possess the ability to empathise with each other.

    Whatever the situation may be there's an opportunity to score points against the other side.

    It's like watching toddlers squabbling over their toys throwing tantrums at every opportunity, it's pathetic and sadly unlikely to change any time soon.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Compromise takes two though. One recent peril, rise of populism (Trump and the various others in European politics) are... from the 'right' and claim to be 'conservative.'

    Brexit with its enormous damage to the UK came from... the 'right.'

    Gun violence in the US as discussed recently in this thread, in a state that despite having 'red flag laws' took place in a city that refused to enforce those laws as its a '2d amendment sanctuary'... all 'right wing' sponsored and supported legislation.

    But, let's continue the mental exercise. It's more than a blame game - people's lives are directly impacted by it. For example, the repeal of Roe, driven by the evangelical right and the RCC with its acolytes on the US Supreme Court, is killing women. What kind of compromise have those that advocated for this repeal offered? Incest exemptions? Nope. Rape exemptions? Nope. A national ban on abortion? Yes.

    So, how do you get to compromise? I'm not sure it really is possible, you can't trust religious authorities to drive it, and if you continue to erode freedom of speech, (keep an eye on the SCOTUS, they've got a number of free speech cases on the docket coming up), you can't get to compromise and are back to just plain naked power like was shown in the path that got Neil Gorsuch on the SCOTUS.

    But if you have examples of the 'right' sharing something that sounds like compromise, do tell. Maybe this is true in Ireland which is much more on the left than the US - to the regret of a number of posters on Boards, but trolls will be trolls. And Ireland benefits from a more modern electoral system, but there is still the pernicious and pervasive influence of the RCC in public life and discourse, and their spokespeople like Fr. Sean Sheehy demonstrate how much compromise the religious right have to offer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is like Republicans asking Biden to meet them half way after they spent 4 years cheering Trump for sh*tting on everyone and everything.

    Trying to both sides without offering comparable left wing strategies that are negatively impacting people, as has been done with respect to right wing ideals several times throughout the thread is in itself some sort of an acknowledgement of the root cause of what affects a lot of our communities.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Compromise takes two. Agreed.

    The rest of your post is more of the same we've seen here before, the right are awful etc...

    A more valuable mental exercise for both sides would be to look at what they do themselves that is so repellent to the other side.

    Until that can be happen no compromise will ever be achieved.

    Ironically you and your right wing counterparts always assume your own moral high grounds, you're all far too comfortable massaging your own egos to entertain comprise, and why would you when the other side are so terrible?

    It's a waste of time trying to reason with people who hold entrenched views it would seem, the majority of people are in the middle ground but it's a relatively quiet place to inhabit, all the noise comes from the fringes sadly.

    Glazers Out!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I completely agree, compromise is essential.

    That process is made much more difficult when many people frame those on the right as either fascists or Neo-Nazis.

    That kind of deliberately inflammatory language is not designed to create consensus.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,757 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    And from the opposite point of view it’s like Hillary declaring anyone outside of the North Eastern seaboard “a basket of deplorables”. What’s that if it’s not shìtting on everyone who doesn’t share their ideas?

    Comparable left-wing strategies were offered, and hand-waved away in the same “nothing to see here” fashion as the people you’re claiming are the REAL threat to our democratic society. I had paraphrased your opening post in the beginning, and it was clear I was paraphrasing, yet instead of actually bothering to listen, you decided a better strategy was to double down and prove my point -


    Me:

    Essentially the whole thing can be summed up as “respect your betters” 😏

    Well, you could have just said that instead of trying to demonise anyone who doesn’t share your opinions on many topics as being hoodwinked by idiots who are the equivalent of your political opposites to exactly the same degree…

    And your response?

    Did also want to comment on your summation that my view is 'respect your betters', again, they are your words, not mine. We were led to believe that people on the right are big proponents of the 'facts over feelings' approach, surely then they should be arguing in favour of listening to those educated, experienced and active in a field rather than just some of the cuff opinion. No?


    It was obvious they were my words, based upon my interpretation of your post, in the same manner as you made the statement you were led to believe that people on the right are big proponents of the ‘facts over feelings’ approach. By whom? Certainly not by me anyway. Can’t stand that sort of trite rhetoric, it’s completely meaningless.

    I was reminded of the idea of examining your own prejudices first before you critique other people for theirs, in mass this morning. It’s something I consistently advocate anyway -


    The New Commandment

    Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard. At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because[a] the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. 10 Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him[b] there is no cause for stumbling. 11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%202&version=ESV


    But there’s little point in arguing the value of religious sentiment with someone who doesn’t share the same beliefs or values, which is really what you’re trying to do from the outset of this thread. The things you imagine are a threat to society, like you’re so taken up with proclaiming the ‘dangers’ to society of the religious right, simply because you think of your values as being of greater importance and value to society than theirs.

    You’re not interested in listening, or compromise, or any of the ideas you proclaim your political opponents should practice, than they’re interested in your ideas. That’s why most people aren’t concerned about any kind of declarations of any threats coming from either the left, or the right, and why in spite of your best efforts, you’re about as likely to be successful in your efforts to convince people your way of thinking is better for society than ideas which they believe themselves are better for society as a whole - you’re not prepared to listen to other people’s ideas, they’re not prepared to listen to yours.

    Seems a bit obvious really.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And from the opposite point of view it’s like Hillary declaring anyone outside of the North Eastern seaboard “a basket of deplorables”. What’s that if it’s not shìtting on everyone who doesn’t share their ideas?

    Did she? Transcript says no. Now, the TFG campaign definitely spread that lie, among so many.

    Seems a bit obvious really.

    Actually, from this thread and its sub-threads, one side has kittens over some event that might actually have been staged, and wants to declare it criminal in a lot of ways. Seems a bit obvious where the threat is coming from.

    So, do telll, what were the alternatives you've offered here, rather than rehash some argument you had with a poster? Because I think the OP has a point and the events of *at least* the last 6 years in the USA have borne it out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,757 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    The transcript doesn’t say no? And Anderson Cooper could hardly be considered a Trump supporter? Hillary’s only regret was that she said half, but by then the damage to her campaign was done -

    The following day Clinton expressed regret for "saying half", while insisting that Trump had deplorably amplified "hateful views and voices". At the second presidential debate in October 2016, after Trump mentioned the speech in a response to James Carter, debate moderator Anderson Cooper asked Clinton: "How can you unite a country if you've written off tens of millions of Americans?" Clinton responded to Cooper's question by saying: "My argument is not with his supporters, it's with him and the hateful, divisive campaign he has run".

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_of_deplorables


    I’m not sure what event you’re referring to that you’re claiming was staged, but for what it’s worth, I think you’re exaggerating to suggest it was ‘one side’ when in reality it was pretty much one poster, who has a real bee in their bonnet about that sort of thing. To suggest it’s of any real concern to most people who regard themselves as either right leaning or conservative is the stuff that progressive leftists wet dreams are made of.

    Abortion on the other hand, and suggesting that women are dying as a consequence of Roe v Wade being overturned and returned to State legislatures, is the epitome of one side having kittens and spreading the lie.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    All I'm seeing here one again is an attempt to focus on me so as to avoid acknowledging the reality of the negative outcome of right wing government practices.

    You, as others who have argued here seem to get offended that I don't just accept your counter argument (what little amount of it exists) instead of having the nerve to refute it.

    You are correct in one thing, there is no point in arguing the value of religious sentiment in a thread about political ideologies unless it is to state how religion has been hijacked by or been a trojan horse for those who want to control society, across most societies, since literally day dot. And which continues to happen today with negative results.

    Also, the 'facts over feelings' statement was in reference comments from and eventually a publication from the right wing darling, Ben Shapiro. I used it as a simplistic statement, that was obvious, but the fact that you didn't pick up on the relevance of the statement might suggest maybe you aren't best placed to be in the middle of a conversation about modern day ideologies and how they are showcased and communicated in today's interactive environment. You are also wrong about Hillary's comment, but others have already pointed that out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's not just the US, the situation in the UK right now is as a consequence of right wing ideologues.

    The Brexit advocate, and former PM wrote in his newspaper article before about gaining 350M/week from leaving the EU and how beneficial that would be for the NHS. Telegraph, Sep 2017

    Mr Johnson has been questioned repeatedly about the claim since, but he and others in the Out camp have shied away from repeating the pledge.


    But writing in the Telegraph today, he said: “Once we have settled our accounts, we will take back control of roughly £350 million per week. It would be a fine thing, as many of us have pointed out, if a lot of that money went on the NHS.”

    This weekend, the Times UK is suggesting people should pay 50 pounds to see their GP.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    No. Ireland never really had a fully functioning free healthcare system such as the UK has had since post WWII.

    Over the last several years, the NHS has been increasingly undermined, under-resourced and manipulated so as to try to justify the introduction of more private healthcare more like what is in the US, than even what is in Ireland.

    I suspect that if Trump had won in 2020, the NHS would already have been offered to US corporations as part of a 'sunlit uplands' type trade deal that the Brexiteers had promised.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    So UK is right wing despite not charging for GP visits since the 40s but Ireland isn't and we do charge. 70 euro in some Dublin GP surgeries now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I already explained the rational for suggesting this to you. It isn't that complicated.

    Don't know what else to tell you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Your post managed to include a reference to Donald Trump. It's clear that Americans aren't capable of talking about anything else.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    You would nearly feel sorry for staunch hard left and right wing people. They all seem so unhappy with the world. NO matter what happens they will find more and more reasons to think doomsday is on its way because of the "other" side. Its evident on boards that the posters incapable of listening to others view points are not the happiest of campers, sometimes a break from online forums is a best.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    And here you are, joining a political ideological discussion, and getting upset because people correctly reference one of the most significant political ideologues in the current environment.

    I don't know what to tell you if you can't handle reality being referenced.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    It is funny to watch people who never experienced living in socialist paradise call for one to be implemented immediately, while people who live in those gulags cant wait till system collapse. Because it always collapsed from within since this idea is simply ridiculous, open to exploitation from every side imaginable and designed on suppressing individual.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,396 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Yes.

    When the Berlin Wall fell, in which direction was the flow of migrants?



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It is funny to watch people who never experienced living in socialist paradise call for one to be implemented immediately

    Except no one is calling for such, are they? At least not on here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    You do. You may think how clever you are masking it behind fake concern "beware of the evil the right...". It is plain as a day to see what you are trying to do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You know, it's funny, because when I was responding to your earlier post, it struck me that if I suggested that you were privileged in being able to not be concerned about things you probably wouldn't like it.

    And here you are reinforcing the message that you don't really have too much to worry about. Which is great. And it is a privilege. And I'm not a whole lot different, me personally. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't be concerned about others who have things to be worried about and particularly so when some people who I am very close to fall in to this category. And I concerned at what our society is doing to the planet, which you I'm guessing, aren't.

    There is only one thing I would agree with you about which I am particularly annoyed, and that is indeed what motivated me to start this thread. This was after years of watching people start very regular threads on here targeting progressive ideals or individuals coupled with what was actually happening in reality by right wing ideologues. And this continues to be the case. I don't think anyone posting in opposition to me here has changed their viewpoint because of this thread, but the core message of the thread title and the OP continues to stand true. And at least for others who aren't so familiar with Boards, when they do stumble in here, there's at least a chance they won't think it's dominated by a 4chan type mindset which was the way it was going for a period.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Lol. Sure it is. At least I'm supporting my argument with links, tweets, newspaper articles, but you think you know exactly what it is I am doing, without a single post to support that view.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    You can suggest what you want man i dont mind at all. I have a grand old life tbf, most of it of my own doing however with help from my parents. That could all change tomorrow driving home from work after this night shift which is why i don't get too het up on things. Its all fine and dandy having an opinion on something, i don't agree with alot of your opinions but it doesn't bother me much and i dont think your a bad person for having them. You come across like you despise conservative leaning people and i dont feel that's a healthy outlook to have on a large swathe of the people you will come across on a daily basis, liberalism and conservatism are here to stay so getting too emotional about these things is not good for anybody.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I'm living in US in a state with a conservative Governor. I've repeatedly said I've been impressed with them. I'm living with staunch Republicans, who know my views and we are actually good friends.

    I do despise those who look to ignore the suffering of various groups of people, sectors of society, class etc as long as they can be in charge or that their way and view of life is not going to be impacted. I don't think everyone who is Conservative falls in to this category, but I'm not going to give those who do a pass just because some people think maybe I should.

    You might call it being bitter towards people of a particular persuasion, I view it as empathetic towards those suffering. And whatever quality of life any of us enjoy, we have a lot to thank others who were empathetic before us for.



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