The Academies

Lsdrugbyfan · 14-09-2021 2:08pm

highlights of leinster schools vs munster schools: https://www.irishrugby.ie/2021/09/13/leinster-storm-home-to-seal-u-18-schools-title/

Chico Flores · 21-09-2021 3:57pm

The 2020-21 McCorry final being played this weekend.

Belvo playing Lansdowne.

It was split into two groups. Group A was Lansdowne, Clontarf, Belvo and Barnhall

Group B was Terenure, Old Wesley, Trinity and UCD

Now we ended up conceding all our games sadly, think for one of them most of the side was away and then an ex classmate of the team sadly took his own life. I think Wesley ended up conceding v Trinity after taking a big beating v UCD in Round 1. Clonarf's results are very surprising

Group 1

Clontarf 10 - Belvo 44

Barnhall 15 - Lansdowne 42

Lansdowne 36 Clontarf 0

Belvo 24 Barnhall 3

Barnhall 43 Clontarf 12

Belvo 28 Lansdowne 24

Group 2

UCD 48 Wesley 0

Trinity 27 UCD 24

Final in Lakelands this Sunday

Lost Ormond · 21-09-2021 5:03pm

Lucas Berti Newman signed 3 year contract with Pat Lam’s Bristol Bears.

he was in Newbridge and has played Leinster 19s in recent interpros

Lsdrugbyfan · 21-09-2021 5:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117920524#Comment_117920524

he didnt play in the recent interpros.

Lost Ormond · 15-05-2022 10:08pm

Academy places being confirmed at the moment

Oisin Michel is joining Connacht https://twitter.com/leinsleadernews/status/1525904117977124864

15-05-2022 10:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119068392#Comment_119068392

Good announcement, thought he looked good in the bits I saw of him for the 20s.

Any more word on Connacht Academy places?

I presume Matthew Devine is in (doesn't seem to be atm), and had read elsewhere they'd also signed Shane Mallon.

Don't think Connacht had any 20s reps apart from Devine, but could be wrong.

Lost Ormond · 20-07-2022 10:22pm

2022/23 Munster Academy

Year 3: Cian Hurley, Conor Phillips.

Year 2: Tony Butler, Patrick Campbell, Ethan Coughlan, Mark Donnelly, Edwin Edogbo, Daniel Okeke.

Year 1: Fionn Gibbons, Darragh McSweeney, Evan O’Connell, Jack Oliver, Ruadhan Quinn, Kieran Ryan

2022/23 Ulster Academy

Year 1: Joe Hopes; Lorcan McLoughlin; James McNabney; Rory Telfer; Scott Wilson

Year 2: James Humphreys; Conor McKee; George Saunderson; Harry Sheridan

Year 3: Ben Carson; Reuben Crothers; James McCormick

Leinster Academy

Year 1: Ben Brownlee, James Culhane, Aitzol Arenzana-King, Diarmuid Mangan, Rory McGuire, Sam Prendergast, Charlie Tector

Year 2: Lee Barron, Jack Boyle, Temi Lasisi, Mark Hernan, Ben Murphy, Rob Russell, Chris Cosgrave

Year 3: Marcus Hanan, John McKee, Alex Soroka, Sean O'Brien, Andrew Smith, Max O'Reilly, Niall Comerford

Just waiting on Connachts to be fully confirmed isnt it?

Lsdrugbyfan · 21-07-2022 8:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119366129#Comment_119366129

Only Leinsters Year 1 academy players have been confirmed.

Dubinusa · 21-07-2022 2:36pm

Ulsters too have been confirmed and I think Munsters.

Lost Ormond · 21-07-2022 3:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119368424#Comment_119368424

I had posted all the leinster academy though it isn't confirmed(just the new entrants are) while Ulster and munster both are fully confirmed bar any late additions around interpros etc

realhorrorshow · 22-07-2022 10:43am

Connacht academy 22-23:

Year 1

Matthew Devine – Scrum-Half

John Devine – Centre

Daniel Hawkshaw – Centre

Shane Mallon – Centre

Oisin Michel – Prop

Harry West – Out-Half

Year 2

Hubert Gilvarry – Scrum-Half

Josh O’Connor – Back Three

Will Reilly – Scrum-Half

Bart Vermeulen – Prop

Year 3

Eoin de Buitléar – Hooker

Donnacha Byrne – Back Row

Charlie Ward – Prop

Lsdrugbyfan · 26-07-2022 11:26am

1st year academy players this season:

Prop

Scott Wilson(U21/Wallace/Ulster)

Darragh McSweeney(U21/PBC/Munster)

Kieran Ryan(U21/Munchins/Munster)

Rory McGuire(U21/Blackrock/Leinster)

Oisin Michel(U21/Cill Dara/Connacht)

Lock

Evan O'Connell(U19/Castletroy/Lock)

Joe Hopes(U19/Campbell/Lock)

Backrow

Diarmuid Mangan(U20/Newbridge/Leinster)

James Culhane(U21/Blackrock/Leinster)

Lorcan McLoughlin(U21/Exile/Ulster)

James McNabney(U20/Cambridge/Ulster)

Ruadhan Quinn(U20/Crescent/Munster)

Scrumhalf

Matthew Devine(U21/Garbally/Connacht)

Jack Oliver(U20/Castletroy/Munster)

Outhalf

Charlie Tector(U21/Kilkenny/Leinster)

Sam Prendergast(U20/Newbridge/Leinster)

Harry West(U20/Kings Hospital/Connacht)

Centre

Ben Brownlee(U21/Blackrock/Leinster)

Fionn Gibbons(U21/Castleknock/Munster)

Daniel Hawkshaw(U21/Belvedere/Connacht)

John Devine(U20/Garbally/Connacht)

Back Three

Aitzol King(U21/Balbriggan/Leinster)

Shane Mallon(U21/Roscrea/Connacht)

Rory Telfer(U20/Coleraine/Ulster)

28-11-2022 7:00pm

Interesting stats to note on the Academies this year:

Leinster and Munster have given a good amount of game time to some academy players, but Ulster & Connacht haven't given a minute of game time to any of their academy players thus far.

Leinster have used 7 separate academy players, for a combined 17 appearances, 8 starts. It's a total of 715 minutes of game time.

Munster have used 6 separate academy players for a combined 16 appearances, 7 starts. Combined total of 689 minutes of game time.

Rob Russell has picked up the most minutes (434), starts (5) and appearances (6) for Leinster, and has also chipped in with 6 tries. After that a handful of guys have picked up decent minutes - Chris Cosgrave (90 mins, 2 appearances, 1 start & 1 try) and John McKee (95 mins, 5 apps, 1 start & two tries).

On the Munster side - minutes are more evenly spread. Edwin Edogbo has the most appearances (6), but Patrick Campbell the most starts (3) and minutes (248).

Edogbo has 219 minutes and 2 starts, Campbell 248 minutes, 4 appearances and 3 starts and Conor Philips has 160 minutes from 2 starts. Campbell also picked up a try.

Other academy players who've gotten some minutes this year are: Leinster: Charlie Tector (1 app, 19 mins), Ben Brownlee (1 app, 19 mins), Max O'Reilly (1 start, 53 mins) & Alex Soroka (1 app, 5 mins). Munster: Cian Hurley (1 app, 30 mins), Ruadhan Quinn (2 apps, 19 mins), Fionn Gibbons (1 app, 13 mins).

Leinster have also used the most players so far this season in the URC, with 47 players appearing this year, which is one more than both Ulster & Munster who have each used 46 players. Connacht have only used 38 players so far.

Sportsmad5 · 28-11-2022 10:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119932214#Comment_119932214

I think it's 47 Munster have used as well. Should rise over next few months, 7 Senior + 8 Academy players have not played in URC this season yet.

phog · 28-11-2022 10:28pm

Rowntree in his post match interview on Saturday evening said we've used 56, could have been a slip of the tongue or maybe he's including players that were involved v SA but that still wouldn't bring it up from 46/47

https://twitter.com/SportTG4/status/1596622998684856321?t=Kbc8cSSevA-SC0vX4IJVxQ&s=19

stephen_n · 28-11-2022 10:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933161#Comment_119933161

Did he include preseason friendlies?

phog · 28-11-2022 11:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933214#Comment_119933214

Didn't think of those but he might well have included them in his count

29-11-2022 12:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933113#Comment_119933113

No, it's 46. I'm only counting competitive games (so just URC so far), no pre-season friendlies or the SA A game (I imagine you're including Kiran McDonald from that).

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933161#Comment_119933161

I've seen this number bandied around multiple times this year, and I genuinely don't know where he got to that number - even if you include the SA A game and the pre season friendlies against Gloucester and London Irish, the number is still just 51 (the 46 who've played in the URC plus Chris Moore, Paddy Kelly, Daniel Okeke, Tony Butler & Kiran McDonald).

It's possible he's including James French and Evan O'Connell in his numbers who were both named in match squads but didn't play, but even if he is (and including all the friendlies) it would be 53.

There are only 62 players in the full extended squad (incl academy), and indisputably all of RG Snyman, Andrew Conway, Jack Daly, Oli Morris, James French, Mark Donnelly, Darragh McSweeney, Kieran Ryan, Evan O'Connell, Ethan Coughlan and Jack Oliver haven't played.

If I count the additional squad players Leinster used in the friendly against Chile, then their players used this season climbs to 57.

Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3 · 29-11-2022 9:41am

probably additions to leinster academy:

Paddy McCarthy(Prop)
Gus McCarthy(Hooker)
Conor O'Tighnearnaigh(Lock)
Liam Molony(Openside)
Fintan Gunne(Scrumhalf)
Hugh Cooney(Centre)
Andrew Osborne(Wing)
Henry McElrean(Fullback)

Dubinusa · 29-11-2022 10:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119934069#Comment_119934069

Hadden? Dunne?

Sportsmad5 · 29-11-2022 7:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933539#Comment_119933539

Shane Daly; 1 Calvin Nash 2, Chris Farrell 3 Antoine Frisch,4, Malakai Fekitoa 5, Liam Coombes 6 Ben Healy 7 Jack Crowley, 8, Paddy Patterson 9; Josh Wycherley 10 Dave Kilcoyne, 11 Niall Scannell 12 Diarmuid Barron, 13 Keynan Knox 14 Roman Salanoa 15 Jean Kleyn 16 Fineen Wycherley 17 Tom Ahern, 18; Jack O’Donoghue 19 , Alex Kendellen 20 John Hodnett 21 Jack O’Sullivan 22

Mike Haley 23, Keith Earls 24 Dan Goggin 25, Simon Zebo 26 Joey Carbery, 27, Craig Casey 28 Liam O’Connor, 29 Scott Buckley 30 Stephen Archer 31 Tadhg Beirne 32 Edwin Edogbo, 33 Peter O’Mahony 34,

Conor Phillips,35 Rory Scannell, 36 Patrick Campbell; 37 Conor Murray, 38 Jeremy Loughman, 39, Ruadhan Quinn,40. Fionn Gibbons, 41 Gavin Coombes 42 Calvin Nash 43 Neil Cronin, 44 John Ryan 45 Eoin O’Connor 46 Cian Hurley, 47

Have I counted someone twice

theVersatile · 29-11-2022 7:10pm

You've Nash twice

ulsteru20s · 29-11-2022 9:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119934069#Comment_119934069

Seems kind of overstocked with props in the overall squad including academy. Anyone likely to be let go?

Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3 · 29-11-2022 9:49pm

Not with 4 likely off to the world cup and Healy nearing the end.

Players will move but not this summer

Sportsmad5 · 29-11-2022 10:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119936356#Comment_119936356

Thanks, I looked at it many times and could not spot it, sure he was way out on the wing.

Quin_Dub · 30-11-2022 10:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119937090#Comment_119937090

Agreed - Leinster will likely be down 5 props during the World Cup period (before, during and after)

Porter, Furlong, Healy with Ireland and Ala'alatoa with Samoa and Abaladze probably with Georgia.

They'll need as many as they can until Christmas next season at least.

ljsulster · 31-08-2023 10:56am

I seem to remember a thread that ranked the academy players in each position so I thought it would be interesting to bring it back- these are just my opinions so fire away if you disagree.

Loosehead

Jack Boyle
Paddy Mccarthy
Jacob Boyd

Hooker

1. Gus Mccarthy

2. Henry Walker

3. Zac Solomon

Tighthead

1. Paddy Mccarthy

2. Scott Wilson

3. Ronan Foxe

Lock

1. Edwin Edogbo

2. Evan Oconnell

3. Conor Otighernaigh

6/8

1. Brian Gleeson

2. James Culhane

3. James Mcnabney

Openside

1. Rudhan Quinn

2. Josh Stevens

3. Liam Molony

Scrumhalf

1. Fintan Gunne

2. Matthew Devine

3. Ben Murphy

Outhalf

1. Charlie Tector

2. Harry West

3. Tony Butler

Centre

1. Hugh Gavin

2. Ben Brownlee

3. Hugh Cooney

Back 3

1. Aitzol King

2. Lukas Kenny

3. Ben O’Connor

theVersatile · 31-08-2023 1:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121050452#Comment_121050452

Out of curiosity, are you ranking by current ability or potential? Or a combination?

Regardless, I'd have:

O'Tighernaigh above O'Connell

Moloney above Stephens (mind I've seen very little of the latter so could easily change)

Devine over Gunne

Butler over West

Brownlee and Cooney over Gavin

Haven't seen enough of Kenny to consider moving him below O'Connor.

ulsteru20s · 31-08-2023 1:57pm

This is a tough time of year to do it. I’ve heard very good things about some new inductees, (BOC, Hicks, Kenny,especially) but not sure how much weight to put on that.

The only changes i’d feel strongly about are putting mccarthy at top of LH list. Also keep him one at THP. I’d put McNabney at 2 on 6/8 list and Quinn at 3 there. And also keep Quinn one on the 7 list.

Lost Ormond · 31-08-2023 2:21pm

Bar a few exceptions most players come from a schools/fee schools background. What would people here change to improve the rate of players making the academies and the pro game from other areas on top of whats happening already or what would people like to see happen to improve this?

Quin_Dub · 31-08-2023 2:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121051225#Comment_121051225

At Scrum-half you haven't included Ethan Coughlan from Munster - I'd have him ahead of Ben Murphy.

phog · 31-08-2023 2:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121051529#Comment_121051529

I'm not sure how this would work but I always felt that underage coaches/team managers should be encouraged to list X number of players that have stood out to them from opponents that have played their team/s. The lists to be collated by regional/provincial talent spotters and those listed to be taken into regional/provincial training camps and further accessed.

ulsteru20s · 31-08-2023 3:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121051529#Comment_121051529

A 50/25/25 funding model from the irfu/club/schools to hire coaches for non traditional rugby areas. Tie a school and a club together with some irfu backing.

You would see some failures, some no changes and maybe or or two areas would really pop.

Inspired by an article i vaguely remember about this happening organically in places. I think jackman mentioned it somewhere as well. Maybe do two in each province to start. Or maybe 3 each in connacht, ulster and munster.

Lost Ormond · 31-08-2023 3:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121051808#Comment_121051808

I dont think that is necessarily going to work because it doesnt mean the right players would be highlighted/selected anyway.

Relying on the volunteer coaches to do this work isnt right when we have full time professional coaches/development officers whos role is entirely around doing this work

By all means have more open screening sessions for age grade squads and players invited to attend but not that

phog · 31-08-2023 3:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121051888#Comment_121051888

I'm not going to get into a 100 post reply on this but coaches seeing other players and passing their names onto the professionals that you mention can only help highlight someone to them that they may have missed.

BTW, I love your hard and fast dismissal of the very first idea posted in reply to your question, it will surely encourage others to that the time to reply.

ulsteru20s · 31-08-2023 3:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121051925#Comment_121051925

I think the provinces already have this aspect covered to a large degree. They know who the good players are these days mostly. This was a problem 10/15 years ago.

Lost Ormond · 31-08-2023 3:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121051880#Comment_121051880

Its an interesting idea. Funding that from some schools/clubs could be an issue like Regis Sonnes coming to Bandon was a load of luck. he had a connection to the club in form of someone who knew him and they had a fee paying school in bandon grammar with €€€ that many areas mightnt have

Ballina tried it with one of their kiwi AIL players a few years back, even giving him access to a car for a while but got a sanction from IRFU about payment of player etc for it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121051925#Comment_121051925

The provinces already do this. Its beyond this that they need to be doing more. just getting recommendations of players isnt whats needed its changing/improving what the clubs do is what the provinces should be helping with.

theVersatile · 31-08-2023 6:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121051630#Comment_121051630

Agreed. For some reason, I thought Coughlan had moved onto a development deal this year.

Quin_Dub · 01-09-2023 9:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121052857#Comment_121052857

Not yet anyway.

He's likely the starting Scrum-half for the start of the season with Murray/Casey with Ireland and Patterson injured so he might get upgraded.

Similarly Butler should get decent game time as there's only him and Carbery there for the moment.

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