"Green" policies are destroying this country

Correct.

I'll add that you'll probably need to set up an account with said vendor/s (as there may be multiples depending on who the greens have lined up for this nice little earner).

Then you'll need to find one that's not full, which I can pretty much guarantee will be difficult unless they have daily empties.

If you do find one that's not full you'll be stuck behind some complete halfwit that may as well be looking up a bulls arse as trying to work the machine and cause a long delay.

Depending on the area you'll probably have a load of homeless looking to take them off your hands for you while you're at the machine. These will become hotspots for a certain community IMO.

OR you could have just done what you always did and recycle properly at home, perish the thought

I'm still struggling how it will be cost neutral myself. They charge us 15c and then give back 15c. Who pays for the thousands of machines, maintenance, collection, admin, etc?

Where does the uncollected money go? To the government or whatever company, possibly named Serview, gets to pocket the difference once a very generous contract has been awarded?

What type of greenie are you, most of that gear should be using rechargeable batteries (lawnmower,chainsaw)you dont practise what you preach.

Strongly disagree with that. The levy was absolutely the driving factor behind less bags. As soon as thr levy was introduced no one wanted to have to pay for them.

That's true but they shouldn't say it's cost neutral. The consumer gets the full despoit back but the producers will pass on the cost of the scheme to the end cuntomer. It's fine to just call it out up front and let people know the prices will be rising again due to this.

So how it work then? Who pays for return machines, the space they occupy, the emptying and cleaning of them? The value of the bottles/ cans?

At present, we pay Panda to have this material collected and recycled (or burnt as often alleged).

There is a difference though. The levy at the point of sale discouraged people from buying plastic bags, but I don`t see this levy stopping people buying bottles and cans.

It will be interesting just how many extra cans or bottles are recycled under this scheme. The numbers will probably look good, but that will be mainly from people who previously recycled through their own bins, now going to these centers to get their deposit back. Like much else with these schemes it will depend on the cost, and if that money would be better spent on more street litter bins, more regularly emptied and old fashioned street sweepers.

Did I hear correctly that it will be 15 months before this is introduced ? If so it seems an inordinately long delay for whatever reason.

For some bizarre reason You refuse to see that this scheme will have costs, those costs will be passed on to the consumer. while the deposit may remain the same for the consumer, costs for the retailer will increase and the retailer because he is not a charity will pass it on to the consumer thus increasing the cost to the consumer.Capisce.

I take it you have no retailing experience so I will set the scene for you, retailer has to sign up to scheme(orders from the greenies), retailer will have to purchase/lease these bottle/can/voucher dispensing machines from preferred greenie provider(there will be no competition in this market as only 1 or 2 companies will be approved to supply said machines)prices will be exorbitant, retailer will probably be tied into maintenance/specialist collection of waste contract that will make your eyes water, point of sales tech will need to be updated so vouchers van be redeemed, extra staff hours will be needed to run this scheme on retail premises.

Bottom line, Jonny/Mary will be paying 1.40E for their water which was previously 1E but they will get 15cent returned to them if they bring back the bottle.Capisce.