VW ID.3

Sure, I like the car but I just can't accept the poor charging speeds in 2022 or 2021 model as progress because when I need the charge when away from home it's just not good enough, It's a complete waste plugging in to a high power charger above 50 Kw at above 20%, certainly not worth the rip off cost at Ionity. I can get 60 Kw that's all I've ever seen from 20% or maybe 25%, that's ridiculous. But the battery temp is probably a lot to do with it, 12 deg C is just not a temp to see decent speed, the i3 would see around 35 Kw at that battery temp so I suppose it's not all bad for the Tour 5 but I had the Rex which made a tremendous difference.

The i3 battery life was exceptional, no loss of range or capacity in 143,000 Kms and 4.5 years old, incredible, the T5 is reporting 68.5 Kwh usable now out of 73.5 new, after 1 year, it never had 77 Kwh available due to a huge buffer. Whether or not this extra buffer is unlocked at lower charge I don't know but I don't think it does, when the T5 is charged to 100% it's actually charged to 95 or 96% but of course we know that's not true either due to a further buffer. Still, I don't notice much if any range loss yet but it does make sense that with 68.5 Kwh and 19 Kwh/100 kms that I would get around 357 Kms that kind of matches what I'm seeing where as if I had 77 Kwh that would be 405 Kms and while I'm confident I can achieve that it would be in warmer months at less than motorway speeds.

I'm wondering if the T5 has a 10 Kwh buffer or close then how much actual usable capacity has the 58 Kwh ? has anyone actually seen the data ?

I presume it's still very much unknown how the BMS calculates capacity but I presume it also measures internal resistance which is a key indicator as to how quick it's aging/degrading which also effects fast charging, Higher internal resistance = less acceleration and slower fast charging also related to cold, cold increases internal resistance.

Glad you're happy with it, I couldn't be happy with 60 Kw charging and most of it I know is due to low battery temps that can't be changed and it's ridiculous considering it can heat the battery. The battery heater rarely turns on now even at 5 deg C it's doesn't engage which is fine by me, it makes a huge difference to local trips even longer trips I notice a difference. I don't get to chargers usually with less than about 20% but even so 12 deg C seems to be the normal temp I arrive with, the T5 battery hardly warms up from charging, though haven't checked that yet now that it doesn't pre-heat to 12 deg C it might actually be colder when I arrive at fast chargers lol. Luckily fast charging is rare for me.

I've seen Bjorn get 80 Kw on the Tour at 58% with 30 odd degree battery, and 124 Kw at 22% again with 30 odd C battery temps.

EDIT:

I haven't tested fast charging with the latest update but I expect it didn't change much.

Which battery version, the 58 or 77 Kwh ?

Hard to know what charging curve you'll experience but my experience fast charging on Ionity is that I have never seen above 60 Kw or amazingly 50 odd Kw on ESB high power charger when plugging in from 20-30% and above, Why the difference, I do not know. I have the 77 Kwh and in reality the battery will rarely be up to 30 odd degrees needed for max charging power, not in Ireland anyway where even in the height of Summer temps can get down to 8 deg C and the battery in the T5 hardly warms up from driving.

I don't know for sure but think you'll need at least 20 Deg C for any decent charging power but the same is true of most electric cars even those like the id3 with battery heaters.

In Bjorn's youtube video of the id3 tour 82 Kwh 1000 km challenge he shows what it's capable of with a battery temp of 30-40 Deg C and at around 60% I say 80 Kw if I remember correctly but you'd need to charge it a lot from low SOC to raise the battery temp especially in Winter.

Again, most electric cars suffer from increased to sometimes greatly increased charge times with a cold battery. Hopefully VW enable a battery preheat function for fast charging but I can't see it any time soon and possibly never.

What's the story Fits, did you get the car back, any issues ?

Excellent!

No surprise they didn't check the battery SOH.

I've to go in Tuesday to get the headlight replaced, that's the 2nd one now, or is it the same one ? can't remember lol.