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Jacob Rees-Mogg's awful position on abortion.

  • 29-11-2022 11:01pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭



    This committee debate is worthwhile to see the goalpost shifting from Mogg in real time.

    Not once does he consider the rights of the woman.

    His constant conflation of the terms, life, potential life, babies, potential persons, people...

    This man thinks the morning after pill should be banned because spunk is the same as an actual person


    Is potential life the same as life?

    Is a potential person the same as a person?

    Should the rights of a 'potential person' be granted equivalence with actual life?

    These are the questions that serious people consider.

    Mogg found a statistic that he can exploit to further a position that taken to it's conclusion results in taking away human rights from actual people in favour of protecting dna

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    oh isn't he some kind of hardcore catholic or something? catholics gonna cath tbf



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Disgusting, vile human being. Believes in cruelty, material gain and absolutely nothing else. Even for a Tory, he's disgusting.

    The very definition of a parasite.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 266 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How this guy gets to much adoration by the English media is beyond me. His views would have been considered extremely regressive in the 19th century, never mind today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,186 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    His views would have been cited in Parliament (that he wouldn't been capable of being a member of!) as reasons to leave the penal laws in place, I suspect.

    He appears to want everything from that era, except for the old suppression of his religion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Kat1170




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  • Posts: 266 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The DUP must very confused about finding an ultra right wing, upper class, English Catholic so alluring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,186 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The extensively DUP-voter employer Wrightbus is owned by another



  • Posts: 266 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Another shower with rather à la carte views. They must protect their precious Union, just as long as they outright reject a load of its most fundamental and hard won social policies and be more in line with rural Alabama instead.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They don't give a sh*te about the Union. Not really. It's noise to distract the fireworks-in-bums brigade while they strip the country and flog it to their pals.

    Seriously overestimating the DUP's cognitive capacity there.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Another politician in another country that will not legislate in the Republic of Ireland. Seems people have to go to great lengths to find a far right that is not in the republic of Ireland. 🤔



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    The English have always had a high-degree of tolerance for unsuitable unscruplulous eccentrics - be it an affectation or genuine - running riot at the upper-end of their society.

    Lash on a monacle, a tweed suit and go about your business on a penny-farthing, and it doesn't matter if you're setting fire to orphanages; you're running a marketing scam on middle Englanders and they're buying what you're selling. National Trust membership for the Big House visits on Sundays etc etc. As long as you're reflecting back to them a self-image of the sporting idiosyncratic Englishman who's always game, and you're on the road to unaccountability.

    Reese Mogg gets the scam better than most people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    There always seems a bang of a old Aristocrat in the wheelchair Saying stuff like "My mind races from the damp!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭lmao10


    What a weird post. Who cares if he's legislating in Ireland. People are discussing his backward views. Nobody was discussing if he's legislating in Ireland or mentioned the far right which you seem to have an agenda in constantly saying doesn't exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭steinbock123


    How in the name of God does anyone in their right mind vote for him ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    No no random politician right wing not agenda from me.

    The DUP must very confused about finding an ultra right wing, upper class, English Catholic so alluring.


    7th post 🤪



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    And some people will go to great lengths to shut down criticism of ideologies they sympathise with.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭growleaves


    There have been upper class English Catholics since the Reformation when some nobles refused to change their religion. Its touched on in "Brideshead Revisited".

    The Protestant faction, like Thomas and Oliver Cromwell, were in part upwardly mobile "new money" families. Thomas Cromwell's father was a merchant.

    I don't know Mogg's lineage except his father was editor of the London Times?

    Mogg seems to be linked to big hedge funds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Seems they're not going to anymore


    UK Polling Report on Twitter: "LATEST SEAT PREDICTION: NORTH EAST SOMERSET LAB GAIN FROM CON @Jacob_Rees_Mogg MAJ: 7.4% https://t.co/HKapkyHVOu https://t.co/kctxBQFl9U" / Twitter


    I will do myself an injury laughing when he gets voted out, his oh-so-reasonable patrician bullshit sets my teeth on edge. I am at a loss as to how anyone who meets him refrains from beating him to death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    His "upper class"-ness is entirely performative. His maternal grandfather was a lorry driver. Whose daughter was secretary to William Rees-Mogg, then city editor of the Times.

    Strange that the monocled, top-hatted Jacob doesn't mention this side of his family tree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,880 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    He is an absolute plonker...leaving little passive aggressive notes on people's desks while they are working from home...when in his office he doesn't even have a fecking laptop.

    In fairness he wouldn't have much need for a computer when he was working as minister for Brexit opportunities...



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,895 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    if you wrote a character like him in a book your editor would send it back and make you rewrite him as more believeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    English Roman Catholics are the worst.

    In saying that I can deal with Mogg, he has some extreme opinions, but I have heard his actual opinion on abortion before, he does support it for protecting the rights of the mother, it just has not been quoted here. He is a Roman Catholic Fundamentalist, on the same lines as any god fearing creep this country has to offer, he would flourish in Ireland as a TD all said.

    He is the quintessential Brit, which winds up any bog standard Irish person. When the Roman Catholic church in Ireland were given the full time nod to start spewing their crap in the late 30's, one of the first things they went for was the destabiisation of all things east of the Irish Sea. They were terrified of British Protestantism and owed them one since the reformation. They invented these archetype British hate figures which still exist today.

    Suit and tie's and pin stripe suits were symbols of greed and debauchery, capped men in Currachs or reaping fields were symbols of honest nobility. They cranked about the Penal laws and moaned on about Cathedrals they never even built and then homed in on our sexual freedom, for the big kill. They made sex a symbol of hatred and lust which was bad for everyone. They banned it from our shelves and movie theatres, they attempted to chastise it into riducule, it worked for half a century. You even got whipped on the wrist for being left handed.

    Mogg is not the worst to be fair, he loves his country, makes his money, has a large family, promotes local business, champions educational reform ( very rationally if you read through the hype ). Above all that he is quite smart and obliterates journalists because he is squeaky clean and knows it, no quick pulls on joints at Uni or extra marital nonsense to flick at him. He loves his wife and family and works hard. When you are like this all the opposition can do is attack your democratic preference, the usual modus operandi here is to find something outrageous or contentious you mentioned in a recent interview and blow it up. Basically enrage the outraged and off you go. Booooom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,297 ✭✭✭Be right back


    It's amazing that he found someone to have 6 children with!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,641 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The guy had a nanny in his 20s. not a nanny for his kids, a nanny for him. the same one he had since he was a kid.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We have to stop demonising people who oppose abortion.

    Personally speaking I think abortion is quite an ugly act. I would imagine that very few women gleefully look forward to the day when an abortion takes place. That's because there is something different about aborting a fetus compared to say simply excising a tumour.

    If people care about the developing fetus and its potential, that cannot surely be considered an immoral position?

    I say that as someone who doesn't believe abortion should be illegal. It's not my decision to make, and nobody should have to force women to act one way or another - it's her choice.

    But this extreme demonization of people who care about the developing fetus as somehow evil is a bit twisted and, again, I say that as someone who supports the legalisation of abortion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,297 ✭✭✭Be right back


    ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,225 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Used to have a friend working in admin at Westminster who said there a small few dinosaur MPs hanging round who needed them to print stuff because they couldn't use Google or .gov websites.

    Mogg gets the entire minutes of every session printed to supposedly store in his house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Apparently he is a catholic but he’s probably the most high Church Anglican Protestant stereotype one could think of



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,225 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He is not the quintessential Brit. He is essentially just a Healy Rae cosplaying for a different demographic.

    Many British people hate him too so nice try on the gaslighting that it's just a bitter Paddy thing.

    If you think he is a quintessential British person you obviously haven't been there.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The sheer irrational level of abuse that Rees-Mogg is receiving on this thread is testament to how tolerant, loving, and empathetic the left have always claimed to be - and all for a politician that has no impact on their life whatsoever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,158 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Noone said anything about Ireland. You are just adding pointless waffle and nonsense to the discussion.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,641 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I'm quite happy to keep demonising the likes of rees-mogg for their views on abortion. i think it is only right and proper to do so. their views are abhorrent.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Both extremes are pointing the finger saying how each side is evil and disgusting.

    When the reality of abortion is that most people in the middle are uncomfortable with abortion even if they support its legalisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    My position is I am fine with abortion up to the point where the foetus- baby- life can feel pain, after that point I oppose it bar a situation where the mother’s life is at risk, no one could tell me if repealing the eighth would chime with the above so I abstained from voting

    apparently the above makes me hard right?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,641 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    we are discussing rees-mogg. his views on abortion, and women in general i imagine, are abhorrent and belong in the 19th century.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There are some in the pro-abortion camp who believe that even the latest of late abortions, right up to birth, should still be legal.

    No matter what way you cut it, that seems to be problematic to say the least. Some might say even more extreme than Rees-Mogg's views.

    This goes to show that abortion is more complex than the loud extremists on this thread make out, who want us to believe abortion is an utterly fantastic thing that should be celebrated in all circumstances, and that anyone who disagrees with them are "vile and disgusting".

    A nice, simple narrative I guess. Makes it easy to remember.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,641 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nobody is pro-abortion. people like you tried that nonsense during the referendum debate and lost badly.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Didn't you read my posts?

    I voted in favour of abortion rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    If the slogan “ my body - my choice “ does cover limitless termination? , then it’s pure ideology rather than anything else and that is really really grim



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The anti-abortion crusaders don't care one whit about the fetus. They only care about pushing their hateful, misoygnistic agenda knowing full well that the unborn will never disagree with them or ask them for anything.

    Rees-Mogg embodies everything wrong with 21st century Britain: Slothful, lazy, hateful, avaricious and cruel.

    I was here for the debates on the 8th amendment in 2017-8. I know exactly what we're dealing with here. Your gaslighting just confirms this.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    And to think it’s the left who accuse others of using dehumanising language



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Do you believe that late-term abortions are justified, though (assuming that there is no factor that endangers the life of the mother, of course)?

    Because if you do, then that is indistinguishable from the polar opposite extremism you condemn.

    Don't forget, they're the party of empathy and compassion!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    At one point he was thinking of running for Prime Minister, I was far more worried about him getting that role than Boris or any of them, he would have been an extremely dangerous person to have in that role.

    He's referred to by his proper title, the Right Honorable Minister for the 19th Century.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Instead of everyone just agreeing that his views are ridiculous, you get some posters trying to deflect and thinking they are not extremely transparent in their support of his views. Pretty boring and predictable. Time to start using the ignore function I guess.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Is there a point here?

    I think I agree with Frankie Boyle's assessment of Rees-Mogg; an agglomeration of the nightmares of nineteenth century factory workers given corporeal form who's mother was too posh to dilate.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nuance is not tedious. A blind, adherent focus to one-sided dogmatism surely is, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,158 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    On the one hand you call for a calm moderate discussion. On the other you throw out deliberately inflammatory terms of pro abortion. You should try practicing what you preach.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,158 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Both sidesing while calling for less both sidesing and then throwing in a few hand grenades to inflame one side.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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